022- The Big Reveal

It's episode 22 electric boogaloo! MJ & Nath are back with your freshly squeezed weekly dose of all things pop culture, and this week they’re taking on the impossible, building the Mount Rushmore of big movie reveals. Expect bold picks, wild debates and at least one “how is that not on the list?!” moment from MJ.

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SPEAKER_10 0:00

Have we started yet? No. No, I was just asking a question. Well why are you asking a question about?

SPEAKER_07 0:07

Sorry, I forgot we don't speak to each other before the show.

SPEAKER_10 0:10

I haven't asked you about an iWing yet.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Let's get this podcast started. Here's your host, MJ and Nate.

SPEAKER_09 0:32

Hey, welcome to the Pulp Culture Podcast, your weekly dose of all things pop culture, freshly squeezed for you. I'm Nate. I'm MJ. And welcome back to another episode. Here we are. We made it. We did. It's been a long week. Has it? I don't know. Feels like it. Is it just words, was it? But uh by the time this uh this episode comes out, happy Easter. It will be Easter. So hope you uh hope you spent all your uh your super or uh all your hard-earned uh cash that you were gonna buy a house with to get yourself an Easter egg.

SPEAKER_11 1:13

Yep, and if you're an egg-laying rabbit, thank you for your service.

SPEAKER_09 1:19

Well, I mean you could probably use like uh afterpay or uh zip pay or something like that if you wanted to get some chocolate, I suppose, because you know You could you you'll be able to pay it off in full payments.

SPEAKER_10 1:31

We're a bit upset about shrinkflation and and petrol prices, are we?

SPEAKER_07 1:37

Well, you know, when you look at the the Linden bunny that's on on sale for$14, you you kind of wonder what's going on, right? Is that the like the normal size? Yeah, they're just the normal size. Oh wowteen dollars. So, you know, there's no chocolate in our house for Easter.

SPEAKER_11 1:54

Well, isn't it lucky that the rabbit brings it?

SPEAKER_09 1:56

Yeah, well, this is true. If you believe in the rabbit. You believe in the rabbit? I believe in the rabbit, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:02

Okay, good. Yeah, so it's all under control. Absolutely. So you'll be getting chocolate, and I won't be because I don't believe in the rabbit. Right, it's in the rabbit's hand. It's rabbit's hands.

SPEAKER_09 2:11

Easter bunny, if you're listening, uh please forgive me. And again, thank you for your service.

SPEAKER_07 2:18

Let's get into the zest. Alright, Mr. Trailers.

SPEAKER_11 2:28

What do we got? Uh no trailers that I've seen this week, but we've got a couple of big ones coming up in the next couple of days. Um I woke up this morning to the news that the Supergirl, a new Supergirl trailer's coming out. Yes. And um then later in the day I saw that there's a new Masters of the Universe trailer coming out.

SPEAKER_09 2:47

I am so excited for that. And it just it just so happens that they're both coming out the day after we record this. So when when when this actually comes out.

SPEAKER_11 2:55

I did have a chuckle at that.

SPEAKER_09 2:56

Yeah, you'll uh you know, you'll uh you'll be have you would have viewed this uh and um you you'll be probably just as excited as we are um about both of those trailers. So uh interestingly enough, uh the Supergirl trailer is uh the final approach of how the film is going to be.

SPEAKER_12 3:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 3:21

Apparently they've had quite a number of screenings for the Supergirl film.

SPEAKER_12 3:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 3:26

And there's been uh I th I believe it's been this is its third edit around.

SPEAKER_14 3:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 3:33

So they're really trying to perfect this film um based on what the audience feedback has been about. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. And and I don't know whether they're you know, they just want to get it right or whether there's uh apparently is it creme?

SPEAKER_11 3:50

Krem the uh yeah, creme's the villain, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 3:53

Krem's the villain. Apparently the audience is not responding very well to creme, so they're trying to work out Was he freaking them out or I I I'm not too sure. Uh maybe uh that's that's all the feedback that I've sort of read. Creme of the Yellow Hills. Yeah, Creme of the Yellow Hills. So maybe maybe because nobody likes Yellow Hills. I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 4:14

I don't know. It does look pretty freaky in the um trailer.

SPEAKER_09 4:19

He's not comic um accurate, is he? He's very different from the no from from that. No. They've made him a real villain, yeah looking villain.

SPEAKER_11 4:28

In yeah, in in the comic he's not terrible looking, but he's an awful person.

SPEAKER_09 4:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 4:33

Um but he's got sort of uh I don't know, like a a mustache and beard, I think, and sort of, you know, fancy quaff of hair. In the trailer he's got, I don't know, like piercings all over his face.

SPEAKER_09 4:45

Yeah, he looks like like he he has adamanteum and he sneezed and it just all sort of came out of his face.

SPEAKER_11 4:51

I don't know, maybe they're upset because like the actor that plays him, um Matthias Schoenhartz is um uh Belgian. Right. And I know him from I think Westworld.

SPEAKER_09 5:01

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_11 5:02

Um and other stuff. Like he's he's been in yeah, other stuff that people would recognise him in. He's a really good looking dude.

SPEAKER_09 5:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 5:09

And so I don't know, maybe they're upset that they've messed with his face.

SPEAKER_09 5:13

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, uh like I said, it's it's um it's interesting that it's so close to the film being released, and they're still sort of you know retooling uh the film. Well, I'm not I'm not worried about it. Allegedly. Well, that's that's um But who's saying that? That's that came from the directors, so the director who's doing that.

SPEAKER_10 5:34

So they're just like re-edits.

SPEAKER_09 5:36

Yeah, and the and I believe the composer, they're on to their third composer now as well.

SPEAKER_11 5:41

So yeah, they I know they s they switch composers.

SPEAKER_09 5:44

Yeah, so this will be their third com and and again, like what's you know, we've got to wait and see. Um I'm not worried. I I I'm not worried either. I think it'll still be a fun film.

SPEAKER_12 5:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 5:55

Um you know, just just to have Lobo in it, I think will be be you know twice the fun.

SPEAKER_11 6:01

I'm very excited about Lobo, but I'm I'm mostly excited about what I'm hearing about Supergirl.

SPEAKER_09 6:06

Yeah, well, I mean, it again, the reports that I've read are very much high praise for her, for um, you know, uh Jason Momoa, yeah, uh and uh the you know cameos that they will have um of of other of other actors, you know.

SPEAKER_11 6:25

I'm just I mean Millie Olcock is a great talent. Yeah. Like she was um yeah great in House of the Dragon. Yeah, she was great in the forgotten what it's called, but the the uh Australian um sort of comedy drama that she was in. Home in a woman. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. It's so helpful, Nathan. Yeah, I really appreciate that. Um no, uh at least you've given me a chance to look it up. Upright. Umright with um Tim Minchin. Yeah, right. Um and she was even from that, which was you know must have been 10 years ago now. Yeah. No, not quite that, not not quite that far, but um, she was great in that. So she's a real talent. Um I'm loving hearing what she has to say about uh this version of Cara. I love that she's saying that um the the part of the message of this movie is gonna be uh that you know girls in particular can be messy, like and it's okay for people to be messy, yeah. Um and to be not um as okay as perhaps you might want to be, or perhaps others might want to be. I think that's a really um timely message. Um so I'm really excited to see the movie. Um and if the lead up to it is a little bit messy as well, yeah, then that's fine.

SPEAKER_09 7:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I look, I think they're just trying to get it right. I think that's all there is. They're listening to the audience. Yeah. And you know, um, that does happen from time to time.

SPEAKER_11 7:51

Yeah, it's standard procedure in Hollywood. I mean, that's why they do these screenings in advance months in advance, yeah, is so that they can make little tweaks. Um, they want to get out of their own little editing bubble and see whether other people are seeing the things that they want them to see. Yeah. Or um, you know, gauge what the audience is seeing that perhaps they're not, and maybe, you know, uh advance um those messages a bit more or something. Yeah. Um, you know, it's common practice and it has been as long as they've been making movies in Hollywood. So I'm not stressed. I'm just looking forward to the trailer tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 8:25

Yeah, and that, and uh Master of the Universe, which is gonna be pretty cool. I mean, we have seen quite a bit in that trailer um already from Master of the Universe, so it'll be interesting to see what we're going to see next. I mean, we already sort of know what the storyline is. Well, we know what the start of the storyline is.

SPEAKER_11 8:44

Yeah.

unknown 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 8:45

Yeah. But we sort of I mean, we don't necessarily know what the big threat back on Eternia is going to be, do we? Well, that's I mean, we know it's gonna be Skeletor, but what's he up to? Yeah. You know, what's Skeletor's game? What's he?

SPEAKER_09 8:56

Oh, it'll be it'll be that age-old story of him getting into Grey Skull. Yeah. And so they need He-Man back to, you know, um, he's the only one that can uh essentially save Eternia and at the same time protect Castle Grey Skull.

SPEAKER_11 9:13

Yeah. I'm excited to see the next trailer because the the first one that we got made me um it gave me a sense of scale that I wasn't expecting.

SPEAKER_09 9:23

That it's that it's quite large. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 9:26

And and sort of big and expansive and um and and I I just I I mean the the old animated show sort of didn't convey that sense of spectacle, yeah. Which is fair enough, it was like an 80s cartoon. Um and you know, sitting playing on the floor with He-Man figures back in the day didn't give you that sense of scale. Yeah. Whereas this seems like a much larger world than perhaps I've ever envisioned before.

SPEAKER_14 9:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 9:52

Um, for He-Man and Aternia. Yeah. Um, so I'm I'm I'm really excited to see that trailer again tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 9:58

Yeah, me too. And and we'll get a uh a better look at some of the um some of the other characters uh in there. So we we we've got sort of small glimpses in the in the teaser trailer, if you call it that. Um, but I think that we'll we'll get a a good showcase of of those uh additional characters like Mechanic and Um Fisto, um we'll have uh Triclops.

SPEAKER_11 10:25

Yeah, uh I love the range of characters that they've gone for. Like they've just gone, they've jumped in with both feet. Oh, 100%. Like they haven't sort of uh erred a you know away from characters that might seem too wacky or like even Fisto, you know, the the the name has connotations in the modern day that sort of it it you know it's it's it can be cancelled. Well it elicits giggles out of the wrong people, including me. But um I I just I love that they've they've just gone for it. Um with him and Mechanek and as you say triclops and some of the the wackier um yeah, spik or yeah uh we we we've got in there.

SPEAKER_09 11:04

So um we'll we'll see Beast uh as well as Evil Inn. Stinkle. Are we seeing Stinkle? No, no, he'll probably make it in the into the second one, I reckon. Oh well. We'll probably have Evil Horde, I'd say, in the second one, maybe.

SPEAKER_11 11:16

Yeah, no, I'm really pumped. I can't wait. I think it's gonna be um perhaps a little bit camp, but in a good way. Um I think it's gonna be really boisterous fun.

SPEAKER_09 11:26

Yeah, it won't be 1980s um He-Man. No, where they're where where they were bogged down in you know, not a lot of money. No. Um, because at that stage the studio was, you know, just lucky to keep the lights on, let alone the sh the the film rolling.

SPEAKER_11 11:41

Well, I mean it was pre-CGI too. It was pre-CGI. There's no CGI in the 87 Masters of the Universe movie, so um, it's a totally different world now.

SPEAKER_09 11:51

Yeah. Well, they also had issues in the in the 80s film with um with licensing when it came to characters. Yeah, and so that's why we got different characters that weren't necessarily part of the He-Man universe.

SPEAKER_11 12:03

Which is not what us kids back then wanted to see.

SPEAKER_09 12:05

No, that's exactly right. And they and they spent more time on Earth than they actually did in Eternia, which was also a bit of a you know, juxtaposition for the audience to accept, uh, because that the all they knew was was the cartoon and eternal. And so this time, I think what they're doing is really clever, is that they're starting us I mean from what we've what we can gather is that we're gonna get a little bit of of Earth, but majority of the fight we're gonna see on Eternia. Yeah, which will be fine. Which will be fine. Uh which is a which is a good way of doing it.

SPEAKER_11 12:41

Yeah, it's just about getting the balance right. Yeah, I suspect that they will. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, and I'm really looking forward to both of these films and and um yeah, others that are coming out uh this year.

SPEAKER_09 12:52

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. What uh have you got any other news uh that that sort of popped into your your feed this week?

SPEAKER_11 12:59

Uh yeah, not trailers, but yeah, no bits and pieces of news. Um like since we recorded last they um announced the Punisher special, one last One Last Kill, which we're getting in May, um, which has got me really excited, partly because I'm I I like the character of the Punisher and I'm looking forward to seeing another um uh show focused on Frank Castle. Yeah, but also because um it got me thinking about you know Daredevil's just started. We've watched the first episode of that. I've got another one tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 13:30

We'll talk about that on the review for sure.

SPEAKER_11 13:32

Totally. Yep. Um but we've got Spider-Man coming up, and now we've got this Punisher show in the middle. Yeah, um it's uh it's it's vers virtually like you know three and a bit months of street level Marvel New York superheroes. Yeah, and I think that's really exciting.

SPEAKER_09 13:48

Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I think it's gonna be great when it um when it when it drops. Yeah, it's interesting. I I thought it was called One Last Shot, but um it's now called One Last Kill. So they they changed the title, which is which is an interesting one.

SPEAKER_11 14:04

I didn't realise that.

SPEAKER_09 14:05

Yeah, so the the working title originally was one last shot.

SPEAKER_13 14:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 14:08

So maybe maybe that sort of implied that this was about the only time that you would see him, like one last shot at or maybe the connotation was we're gonna give it one last shot and hopefully it'll be okay or it'll work.

SPEAKER_11 14:23

Well maybe they just decided to make it the the title a bit more in your face and aggressive. Yeah, I look kills an aggressive word, especially for the the the MCU.

SPEAKER_09 14:33

Well it's it's it's gonna be a really interesting one because you know you can't use that word on socials um without uh it being well not cancelled but edited. Okay. Um and so doesn't get shared as much or something. Well, yeah, I mean it definitely impacts on and I think you you possibly could get a warning for it. I'm not too sure, but um we've we haven't tried it on the show. But I think Marvel and Disney will probably be okay. But but you know, it is interesting that they have you know gone with that that that word.

SPEAKER_11 15:05

So I uh it makes me think that I I like it's gonna be a fairly full-on uh special.

SPEAKER_07 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 15:12

Um I I I think one of the things that you know Punisher fans are gonna notice, obviously, with Spider-Man, is that you know Frank's not gonna be um taking dudes out the the way that he was in the Netflix show.

SPEAKER_07 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 15:27

Um, you know, that was a fairly it was a very violent and very graphic um uh television show. Yeah, oh extremely, and and and confronting too, because there was some some themes in that that were like you know, Survivor Guilds and and whatever version we see of Punisher in Spider-Man is not gonna be like that. No, and so I suspect that this is gonna be um sort of you know getting it out of his system. Yeah. Um you know, giving us a dose of proper proper Frank Castle Punisher.

SPEAKER_09 15:57

A bit like what we saw in the first season of uh Daredevil. Yeah. Yeah, that glimpse that we got of him.

SPEAKER_11 16:04

No, I I think it's gonna be fairly full-on, and I think the fact that that that that it has been called One Last Kill is um is is is telling of that. Yeah. Um I I think it's you know basically ramming home that what we're gonna get's gonna be a fairly full-on betrayal. But um I'm I'm here for it. I'm really looking forward to it. The other fairly large bit of news that came up this week is um uh Starfleet Academy has been cancelled.

SPEAKER_09 16:31

Canceled. Yes, I had that on my list as well. And we we've talked in length about this and we tried to help get it back into the in i onto uh onto rotation for season three, but uh we tried to coax it back to the light. We tried, but uh obviously failed miserably. And uh yeah, I mean it it was unfortunately the writing was on the wall uh when we started hearing sort of you know errs and rumors with season two only halfway through. Yeah. And uh so that will put an end to after um uh what is it uh Strange New World. Strange New Worlds, yeah, that means that there won't be any uh Star Trek.

SPEAKER_11 17:19

No, and that for me that's the saddest thing about it.

SPEAKER_09 17:22

Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_11 17:23

At this stage we don't really know what the next phase of Star Trek is going to look like.

SPEAKER_09 17:28

Well it's we've had a 10-year run of of Star Trek again. Yeah. And so it's it's almost it's almost like that golden age where we had uh when we had next generation, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, sort of all sort of inconcurrent with each other or overlapping and all sort of finishing up the other side. Yeah, and all finishing up at the same time. Yeah, it's and then we had and then we had nothing. And then and then Discovery came on the scene and that sort of was really exciting. However, season one didn't you know resonate with the audience as much as we wanted it to. No, and again they retooled it and it seemed to to take off.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 18:14

Uh and then we got Strange New World, um, which I think is fantastic. It's probably probably the closest that we get to real Star Trek, I think, at this stage.

SPEAKER_11 18:25

Yeah. And um I think that was one of the criticisms of it too, though. Like, I mean, I really enjoyed Strange New Worlds, but um, you know, I a a lot of fans I think said it's more of the same. Yeah. You know, they they wanted Star Trek to be pushed into different directions, and that's why they were so um excited about Starfleet Academy. Um, it's one of the reasons why I was excited about Starfleet Academy. Yeah, I felt like we could have had both, you know. I I don't see why we couldn't have had you know the old flavour of Star Trek, um, but also you know, push it into new realms. Yeah. For me, that seems really on brand for Star Trek. Totally agree. Um, but yeah, it's uh really disappointing. I'm I'm disappointed that um the Starfleet Academy concept is gonna end that way. Yeah. Um because I had such high hopes for it. I really felt like it was something that um you know, it was a corner of the Star Trek galaxy that um we we it felt rich with stories. Yeah. Um and yeah, I I kind of, in my opinion, I don't think they quite got it right. Although I haven't watched all of the episodes of season one, I am gonna keep watching it um because that's what I do. I'm a completionist. I like to make sure that I've seen everything, so I'll stick with it and I'll watch season two. But it's disappointing that it's um gonna end there.

SPEAKER_09 19:45

Yeah, look, it's um, you know, unfortunately, it's uh it's um they're not gonna if it's if it's not rating, then they're not gonna they're not gonna back it, right? Yeah, you know, and it's unfortunate the audience has has um voted this way. Um however, um I'd I'd rather them it'll be interesting to see how they end with season two. I mean they they've already shot season two.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 20:10

I wonder whether they knew going into the end of the season, knowing that it wasn't going to continue. I'm sure they'll find some way to round it off.

SPEAKER_08 20:22

Round it off, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 20:23

So I I I think for for anybody who's going to continue watching it, um I would hope that they they they you know do it justice by by rounding it out.

SPEAKER_11 20:34

I'll let you know because I'm gonna stick with it.

SPEAKER_09 20:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 20:36

Um yeah, now the the thing that really uh is is most sad to me and concerning as well is that yeah, we don't know what the next phase phase of Star Trek is gonna be. Yeah but I I I think it's safe to assume that they're partly cancelling it because of ratings. Yeah um it's not getting the amount of eyeballs on it that they wanted. But it's hard not to speculate that perhaps they're cancelling it as well because it's too woke for current management um or something along those lines, whether there's a philosophical um issue there. Um and that just makes me not not well, yeah, it may it does make me concerned about how they reset. Because I'm sure that they will reset and I'm sure at some stage within the next six to twelve months we'll get news of what is next for Star Trek on television or in film.

SPEAKER_09 21:28

I I I hope so, because I mean we've also got Doctor Who, which is up in the air right now as well.

SPEAKER_11 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 21:35

So um Disney have uh cancelled their contract, if you want to call it. I think they whatever their agreement was.

SPEAKER_11 21:42

I think it was I think it was genuinely uh they didn't renew it.

SPEAKER_09 21:45

Yeah. Oh, is that what it was?

SPEAKER_11 21:46

They didn't renew it like it from from my understanding that one had a finite end, and that's what happened is it ended and they decided not to renew it. So um yeah, I I think they that was an ex it was an extreme. Experiment that probably worked on some levels but not on all the ones that they wanted.

SPEAKER_09 22:04

Yeah. And so that's obviously put Doctor Who in sort of a holding pattern as well.

SPEAKER_11 22:10

Doctor Who's coming back though. Like the um Russell T. Davies, the showrunner, yeah, has I think confirmed that that it's coming back on the BBC.

SPEAKER_08 22:20

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_11 22:20

But as for when and exactly in what form. Yeah, um, and even who's gonna be the doctor. Like um, you know, we we we we are let left to believe that Billy Piper will be the next one. And I think spoilers. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Well sort of spoilers. It's been a while now. But I mean we're left we're left to believe that you know blank is gonna be the next one. But um, and I think that's what'll happen personally, but um, yeah, with that we just haven't had any concrete news um at this stage. But um I don't I'm not as not as concerned about that as I am about Star Trek. Yeah um I'm just gonna sit back and wait now and see what form it comes back in. Yeah. Um and we'll just take it from there.

SPEAKER_09 23:04

Well, uh, watch this space. Um tell us what you think. Are you um are you gonna hang out for uh for um new Star Trek or for uh Doctor Who? Um we'd love to know about it on uh pop culture pod.

SPEAKER_11 23:19

Yeah, really interested to know people's thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_09 23:21

Yeah, yeah. Um I I I uh read some interesting news about the X-Files reboot that which which we've talked about uh on the show before. Yes. Uh that uh uh Himish Patel is uh joining the cast. Okay. Um so for those of you who might not know who Himish is, uh he uh was in Tenant. Uh he was also in Enola Holmes 2. Uh he's sort of that guy that's in those films that you like, but you didn't realise that he was that guy. Are they um are they setting him up as one of the stars of this one? He's going to play the husband uh of um of Danielle Debweiler. So uh this is this is a really interesting um casting. Yeah. And uh I think it's um uh you look, I mean, he's a he's he's a he's a good name, he's he's done a lot of film. Um so this looks like it's his first sort of TV debut, if you want to call it. So uh so yeah, so he's joining the cast. I mean, Ryan Coolidge is doing the he's writing and directing the pilot. Kugler. Uh oh right, did I say Coolidge? You did.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Oh no.

SPEAKER_09 24:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 24:37

Which is an interesting juxtaposition.

unknown 24:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 24:41

But uh yeah, so um, so it it I I I believe that the the the pilot is uh mate. Uh so like screening in May. I I'm not so sure whether it starts filming in May or whether it starts screaming screening in May. I think it starts filming in May. I've got excitement. Um but yeah, I look, I'm I'm excited for it.

SPEAKER_11 25:03

Yeah, one way or another. The I look like I've said previously, um, you know, uh Ryan Kugler, Chloe Zhao, yeah, um, as far as I'm concerned, they can do no wrong. That's one of the reasons why I was upset about the Buffy cancellation. Yeah. Um frankly, anything that that they decide to devote their time and attention to and and produce, yeah, um, I'm down because I think that they're really fresh uh faces and perspectives um in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_09 25:33

Well they're looking at it from a different lens.

SPEAKER_11 25:34

So they just produce fresh stuff.

SPEAKER_09 25:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 25:38

Um and so yeah, I'm I'm completely um down. I'm disappointed we're not gonna get to see Chloe's buffy, but um it is what it is. But uh yeah, I'm st I'm still looking forward to to Ryan Kugler's um X-Files.

SPEAKER_09 25:51

Yeah, the interesting part about uh the reboot from from my understanding, they're keeping it the story pretty much under wraps.

SPEAKER_11 25:57

Um apparently Gillian Anderson's seen some of the script.

SPEAKER_09 26:00

Yeah, and she she thought it was amazing.

SPEAKER_11 26:02

So um I think it's interesting that that they've like I don't think it's terribly surprising. Like Kougler's a respectful dude. Like he I'm not surprised that he would have shown um Gillian Anderson and probably David DeCovney and others.

SPEAKER_09 26:17

Um I I would think that he probably would have shown shown them both and a blessing if you want to go.

SPEAKER_11 26:23

Well, not even getting a blessing, but just wanting to b include them, yeah. Um because you know why not? Um just because because of the legacy that they've created.

SPEAKER_14 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 26:31

But um I I think it's really good if sh you know if if Gillian Anderson's impressed, um then I then I'm pretty happy with that. Because she's not she's not the sort that's gonna say she's impressed if she's not.

SPEAKER_09 26:42

No, she's she she speaks her mind pretty pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_11 26:45

She's very for very forward um in a in a way that's uh wonderful. So um yeah, no, I I thought that was a pretty good endorsement.

SPEAKER_09 26:53

Yeah, uh I I agree. And um so from my understanding it so far from from reports, it's saying that uh it's going to be a single story, yeah. Um carried over whether it be six or eight or however many episodes they do now. Uh and it has a um a uh Native American thing. Awesome. Okay. Which which would which would work because if you go back to the original X-Piles, yeah, it was very deep rooted in um uh Native American law. Yeah, they they used a lot of that, um, especially around season three, I think it was.

SPEAKER_11 27:32

I think there's a lot of untapped material in in that and also in indigenous indigenous cultures every everywhere around the world, including in Australia. Um, you know, I I think there's a lot that can be tapped into there. So as long as they're doing it um with uh the involvement of people who know what they're talking about, I think that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_09 27:51

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um we were talking before about um uh we were talking about uh Sinners and the director of that and how good he is, and obviously Michael B. Jordan's in that. Yeah, Michael B. Jordan and uh Austin Butler are set to star in Miami Vice. Yes. Um interesting, uh Michael B. Jordan was going to sign uh for Miami Vice. I think he was offered, I think it was about four or five million dollars. Okay. Uh and his new agents said, hold five, you're going to the Academy Awards this week. And uh sure enough, he wins an Academy Award and now he's asking for 18 million.

SPEAKER_11 28:35

Very nice.

SPEAKER_09 28:36

Um, so yeah, I I'm not too sure whether the Inc has dried yet or not, um, but uh yeah, he's definitely you know the front runner to play uh Tubbs. It'd be silly not to cop up the money. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and um so uh it's going to be really, really interesting because uh Tom Cruise is rumoured to be the villain. Okay, which I'm really down for because we haven't seen Tom Cruise as a villain since uh Michael Mann's collateral. No, and he was fantastic in um collateral, yeah, he was. So um I'm I'm really looking forward to um to it to to what's coming out of that. Had some sort of Miami Vice hair in collateral too. Oh yeah, and it's set in the 80s, right? So so they're not gonna do a modern version like they did um quite a number of years ago. Okay. With um Jamie Fox. Jamie Foxx and Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell. Yeah. So so yeah, we're going to we we're they're going back to, you know, sort of the roots of of the TV series.

SPEAKER_11 29:42

They're going back to the future.

SPEAKER_09 29:44

Uh and I'm I'm pumped for that. I I I love that TV series.

SPEAKER_11 29:48

I think it's a great idea.

SPEAKER_09 29:49

Yeah. And uh I you know, anything that you know uh a modern film, you know, sort of does a bit of a throwback to it to an error, I I really dig, especially the 80s. So yeah.

SPEAKER_11 30:00

Well I think ever since um particularly Stranger Things, anything that's set in the 80s or 90s, um people are here for.

SPEAKER_09 30:05

So yeah.

SPEAKER_11 30:06

Um I think that's a bit of a no-brainer. It's um it it sounds great.

SPEAKER_09 30:10

Yeah, and and Joseph Kaczynski, who's the director, I mean, he did Maverick and he did such a great job with the action scenes in in Maverick. Yeah, so good. And so I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does, you know, around the you know the the outskirts and the strip of of Miami. So I think it'll be a a really great action pack, you know, very very serious um film.

SPEAKER_11 30:36

Well Top Top Gun Maverick was great because even though it was set in the modern day, yeah, it still maintained that 80s um I don't want to say simplicity, yeah, but it charm. Yeah, it's still it still had that sort of you know 80s era uh charm, which I think a lot of people really enjoyed about it. Um old people like us enjoyed reliving it, yeah. And I think a lot of um you know younger people enjoyed uh getting a taste of it. Um so yeah, if they're able to tap into that again from Miami Vice, which I can't see any reason why they couldn't, then that'd be great.

SPEAKER_09 31:07

I think it'd be wild. We were talking about uh Top Gun Maverick, um, and uh Glenn Powell was in Top Gun Maverick. He sure was. Um and uh it was announced this week that Glenn Powell's loaning his voice to a new character in uh Super Mario Galaxy movie. Okay. He's gonna be playing uh uh Fox McLeod. Is it when's this movie out? Uh it's soon. It's really soon. Well, they keep an announcing all these new new voices for it. Well, what what I think what they were keeping it a secret, and then in the latest trailer, I was I was saying that it was Donkey Kong's arm, but it's actually Star Fox's arm. And so I think they've just put the rumors to bed and said, yep, it's actually happening. Yep. I think it's also great for the marketing train that you know, hey, we've got another big name attached to an already huge cast of of uh voice actors, and uh so so yeah, so he he'll be playing Fox McLeod Um from the Star Fox uh uh game series. Okay. And so he's a he's a pretty beloved character in the in the Nintendo world.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 32:20

And so it'll be interesting to see whether this is how Nintendo are moving forward with other properties. Yeah. Because there's already talk that there's a Donkey Kong movie coming, yeah. Um, because we saw him in the first uh film.

SPEAKER_13 32:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 32:36

And so now they're introducing Star Fox. I wonder whether that's going to sort of be another, you know, launch pad for another film series, yeah. Um, which would be wild because I think they they they will all bring you know that nostalgic fun. Yeah. Uh so yeah, so I mean, another great voice actor sort of attached, which is which is fantastic.

SPEAKER_11 32:59

I'm excited for that movie. I really am looking forward to it, even though I couldn't remember when it was out or not. Yeah, maybe it has been a busy week.

SPEAKER_09 33:06

Yeah, it's coming. Oh, it's it's really soon. I think it's coming out like in the next couple of weeks. So school holidays. Oh, yeah, I don't think we're too far away. It's gotta be school holidays. Yeah, it'll it will be school holidays for sure. Uh we were talking about reboots with Miami Vice. We're getting a reboot film uh of uh Murder She Wrote. Yes. Which is really, really exciting. This is probably one of my comfort TV series to watch. I loved it too. Um I it this was something that I grew up with watching with my mum and my grandma, and you know, like this is a this like I said, it's a real comfort TV series that I can go back and re-watch, even though I know who the killer is, and I know that Jessica's gonna meet up with Magnum P.I. or with, you know, uh Brian Cranston or somebody else, yeah. Um, but still enjoy that over and over and over.

SPEAKER_11 33:58

It was an appointment of television back in the day, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_09 34:00

Oh, it really was. Uh uh uh was it 12 or 14 seasons? Yeah, it was a lot. Um and then a couple of telly movies that they did uh during that during that period.

SPEAKER_11 34:11

It's um a hard act to follow, Angela Lansbury.

SPEAKER_09 34:13

Yeah, yeah, Angela Lansbury. So uh so uh Jessica Fletcher is the is the character. Yeah, uh, and Jamie Lee Curtis is um has been um tapped on the shoulder.

SPEAKER_11 34:24

I have to admit, I was a little bit excited when I heard that because I I don't know, there's something about that that really works.

SPEAKER_09 34:29

Yeah, I look, I I think um Jamie Lee Curtis is especially in her more mature years, yeah, has shown a lot of range. She's very as as an actor. She's very funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 34:41

And for and formidable too. Yeah. Which again, that's what Angela Lansbury was as Jessica Fletcher. She was just she was just formidable. Yeah, you know, she walked in and owned a room, and that was the whole point. Yeah. Um, yeah, and I'm I'm excited to see where this goes.

SPEAKER_09 34:55

Yeah, so am I. And um look, doing it as a movie, I I don't know whether it's going to be theatrical or whether it'll be streamed. Yeah. My my punt is that it's probably going to be streamed. Yeah. Uh, so but that's okay. I'm I'm okay with that. They did that with the Thursday Murder Club uh as well. All the knives out movies. And all the knives out movies.

SPEAKER_11 35:15

I mean, they they've shown in cinemas, but they're they're Netflix films, yeah. They're they're streaming films. So um that kind of seems to be the home for that genre at the moment, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_09 35:24

Yeah, absolutely it does. Uh so um so watch this space. We're looking forward to seeing uh what happens there. It's it's interesting. There's a there's a fan theory about how um you know murder finds um uh finds Jessica Fletcher everywhere she turns. And so the fan theory was that she was actually just a serial killer and she was just pinning it on everybody else in in every episode.

SPEAKER_11 35:50

So you know what? I'm I'm actually more than down for that if that's if that's what what they decide to do with it.

SPEAKER_07 35:56

Um yeah, you know, if if if if um 14 14 seasons of murder, tell you what, she's probably the greatest serial killer of all time. Completely stand as stand aside, Dexter. What was it in uh Thursday Murder Club? Nobody pays attention to old people. So, you know.

SPEAKER_11 36:14

Yeah, no, I'm down for that. And if if Jamie Lee Curtis is playing her when that that reveal happens, then even better.

SPEAKER_09 36:20

Yeah, absolutely. Uh we've got some comic news with um with Spider-Man, uh with the next crossover uh that we're getting from DC and Marvel.

SPEAKER_11 36:29

Spider-Man Superman.

SPEAKER_09 36:30

No, it's gonna be Spider-Man 2099 and Batman Beyond. Okay. I reckon that's a great crossover.

SPEAKER_11 36:38

This is separate from the Spider-Man, Superman. Yeah, I said this is what's next.

SPEAKER_09 36:42

This is this is what's next coming up next.

SPEAKER_11 36:44

Okay, alright. I haven't hadn't heard about this.

SPEAKER_09 36:46

Which I think is really awesome. I I'm looking forward to this one.

SPEAKER_11 36:49

Umward to that as well.

SPEAKER_09 36:51

And it's a and it's sort of a a great, you know, like the worlds are very, you know, sort of similar, yeah, but different. The characters are polar opposite to each other. Yeah. Um I I think this will be this is a really good get. I don't know, I I I I don't recall who's doing the art or the writing for it. Um I I just sort of saw this on the way um to recording and thought it worthy of of mentioning.

SPEAKER_12 37:16

Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_09 37:17

Um but yeah, there is some artwork that's sort of floating around already of a couple of pages, so it must be, you know, I would say months away before we get it.

SPEAKER_11 37:25

So Spidey 2099 and Batman Beyond.

SPEAKER_09 37:27

Batman Beyond. Yeah, yeah. So Terry and Miguel. So it had to happen. Yeah, it's good. It's it's it's an awesome team up. I'm really looking forward to that one.

SPEAKER_11 37:36

I know, I'm there.

SPEAKER_09 37:37

Yeah. Uh in um we, you know, on occasion we talk about um uh items which have been sold at auction or found, or you know, and and uh we've we've talked about the Superman comic in in the past and and other um such um memorabilia.

SPEAKER_14 37:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 37:54

Uh this week uh there was a story that came out um so Goodwill in the US. Yeah. Uh it's a bit like a Salvo's or a Vinny's or something like that. Yes. Um, and uh somebody had donated two of the original Jowers uh still mint in still mint on card and hadn't been punched.

SPEAKER_11 38:16

The action figures.

SPEAKER_09 38:16

The action figures, the two, the two Jower action figures. Okay. Um from the from the original Star Wars collection. I think it was a 12. Punch means open, doesn't it? Well, punch means that it's got the little uh the the the little card opening where you put it onto the rack, right?

SPEAKER_10 38:34

So you oh so it's still got the cardboard in there, yeah, inside the punch hole.

SPEAKER_09 38:39

Oh wow. So it's complete and it's because those things fall out like the instant you breathe on. Yeah. So so the these ones are uh absolutely in mean condition. Wow. Um Goodwill over the last probably 12 months and the Reluctant Adult podcast, um uh which we both listen to, yeah, would have talked about this in great length over the last couple of um episodes where goodwill have got um sort of wind on you know toys and you know collectibles and you know memorabilia and stuff. And so they actually now have a department in in in each of their stores, yeah, which sort sorts through and makes sure that there is nothing of great value that's actually going out on the shelves. Right. And uh they now have a I don't know if it's an eBay page or an Amazon page or or it's their own page, but they have a page where they will auction off. Goodwill auction house. Goodwill auction house, right? Um they're a business. Let's let's let's be real here. They're a business, they're not a charity, they are an actual business that are called Goodwill. Uh so um yeah, it's really interesting how they're they're sort of playing this. The what's even more interesting is that this person has donated these two and has lost out on 19.2,000 uh what$19,200. Wow. US dollars for the two. Oh I'm sorry, you snooze, you lose. Yeah, absolutely. So um, yeah, that's a bit of a bit of a uh bad one. Um do you know where my jawers are, honey? Like, you know, have you have you seen them lately?

SPEAKER_11 40:16

Uh you know I was sick of dusting them, so I took them to Goodwill. So uh so yeah, so we're gonna we're we're we're not gonna get uh we're not we're not gonna get Jawas anytime soon, but in Goodwill, but uh I ha I haven't got it fully formed, but somewhere there's a joke in here about Jawas being the effectively the Goodwill in the Star Wars galaxy being donated to Goodwill in our galaxy. Yeah, I don't know. I if I was more awake I'd probably have you'll get it. Yeah, but um it'll come to you. I think you see where I'm coming from.

SPEAKER_07 40:52

Yeah, I 100% see where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_11 40:54

Hey, um speaking about the about Star Wars and um things selling for huge amounts of money, did you see about what sold in London? I think it was this week or the week before. What was that? C3PO's head. Oh, just his head. Just his head. Oh apparently it's the only confirmed uh screen used head from the Empire Strikes Back was sold at auction at I think it was a prop store in London for and I'm assuming this is American dollars, yeah, uh 1.058 million dollars. Wow. C3PO's head.

SPEAKER_09 41:34

So my question is what do you do with that head? Like it's it's it's not attached to the rest of his droid body.

SPEAKER_12 41:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 41:42

So do you Yeah, it's already a bit morbid. What do you what do you do with I mean, do you put it on a pike? Do you put it on a wall? You know what I mean? Like what do where do you put it in your house or your room or whatever?

SPEAKER_11 41:58

I if it was me, I'd be putting it on a pike that clearly looked like it was it from the sand people. Oh I thought you were gonna say the ewx. Well, I thought about the ewx and then I thought, no, I don't know if they do that. They thought he was a daisy. So yeah, um, yeah, no, that uh then I thought, you know, it probably the sand people. Yeah, like the sand people would you know stick his hand on a pike as a warning to other droids. It's it it yeah, I I I'm just trying to sort of like I mean when it when it comes down to it, yeah, his creator did kill a whole lot of Tuscan raiders. Yes, that is true. So this is starting to work out as an event position universe here. So yeah, that's what I'd do. I I'd stick it on a on a on a pike, a Tuscan Raider. Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_09 42:39

I love it. That's that's really interesting. That's a lot of money for a head. That is a lot of money for a head. I don't know. Um yeah, I don't. I I'm just trying to work out where to put it. It just I I love that that's your first thought.

SPEAKER_07 42:51

Yeah, where am I gonna put this? Don't worry about the one point whatever million that I have to raise to to get it.

SPEAKER_10 42:58

Who are you my wife?

SPEAKER_07 43:00

I'm just worried about where I'm gonna put it. It just doesn't go with the drapes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 43:06

No, that's a that's a mighty good point.

SPEAKER_09 43:08

I I uh I I I I don't know if you've seen this fan theory, we're talking about Ewoks, and uh um somebody was saying that um how did uh Princess Lea get get that dress that she she wears in uh Reset of the Jedi? Yeah and and so obviously we we we know that they m might be cannibals and so obviously they're eaten Is it cannibals if they're eating humans?

SPEAKER_11 43:34

Well it's cannibals if humans are eating other humans, but if ewoks are eating humans.

SPEAKER_09 43:43

Maybe they're ta yeah, maybe it's a bit like turkey or turned duckin.

SPEAKER_11 43:46

Yeah. Just like we're like an exotic exotic um meat. Maybe we we're game animals to them.

SPEAKER_07 43:55

So they've obviously eaten somebody that another woman that just happens to be her same. Size and that's fine, right?

SPEAKER_11 44:01

Yeah, no, just different rules, different rules for rule royalty.

SPEAKER_07 44:06

Well, they didn't get eaten, so it was a good story. Good feel, good story, anyway. Okay, all right. All right, moving on. All right, let's get into the weird files.

SPEAKER_09 44:17

Alright, got another one for you. This one is absolute gold. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 44:22

Alright, California man caught selling invisibility cloaks that were just clear plastic bags. Okay. Yep, I knew you'd love this one. So California authorities say that a man has been uh arrested after allegedly scamming dozens of customers by selling what he claimed were next generation invisibility cloaks. Dozens. Which investigators later discovered were nothing more than clear plastic bags. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 44:48

According to court documents, the suspect uh marketed the cloaks online as government adjacent stealth technology.

SPEAKER_11 44:56

I thought you were going to say he was selling them out of a outside of a CPAC relic.

SPEAKER_09 45:01

In the back of his Toyota. Um, and uh promising buyers the ability to move unseen in plain sight. Customers reportedly paid anywhere from 49 to 299 US dollars, depending on the level of invisibility.

SPEAKER_07 45:18

And he's been charged. Yep. The illusion fell apart. I don't know what part this was gonna fall apart, but the illusion fell apart. Like that. Um where multiple buyers complained that strangers could still see them when while wearing the product.

SPEAKER_11 45:36

What is happening?

SPEAKER_07 45:38

One customer said that he stood completely still in a parking lot for 10 minutes, waiting to disappear before realizing he was just sweating inside a bag. Police say that the suspect defended himself by claiming that the quotes worked if you believed hard enough and blamed customers for having low um for having low vibrational energy. Authorities confirmed no invisibility occurred at any point during the testing.

SPEAKER_11 46:10

I'm not making any commitments, but I want to talk to this legend and I reckon he's gonna be our our first naming sponsor.

SPEAKER_07 46:17

Oh yeah, Invisibility Cloaks. Yes, it's gold, right? I told you that you'd enjoy this one.

SPEAKER_11 46:22

This is that is so good. Yep, if if if people are willing to part with their money under those circumstances, I reckon good luck to him.

SPEAKER_07 46:31

I'm trying to work out because it because it was$49 to$299, right? Depending on the level of invisibility. So what you like just your head was floating, or was your legs visible, or were you like partially squinted your eyes, you could kind of see them. Were you half Sioux Storm, you know? Like what do you what does that actually look like? So yeah, the mind boggles, but this is a great one for the weird files. I love it. Yeah, I kind of want to buy one too. Yeah, I'll get you a plastic bag tomorrow.

SPEAKER_10 47:05

No, no, I'm I'm no, I'm getting on Etsy afterwards.

SPEAKER_07 47:08

Get get get your vibrations going.

SPEAKER_10 47:09

Oh, that's gold.

SPEAKER_07 47:10

Yeah. Uh let's get into the tomb.

SPEAKER_09 47:21

Well, we're back again with another uh mummy update. We've got uh it is definitely confirmed that uh John Hannah is back. Yes, doing the role of John Carnahan. Yeah, that's right. John Carnahan. So he's back playing Evie's brother. Great, good to hear. Bumwing brother. Yeah, and uh so I would say this news is only the beginning of all the other actors that will be here and coming back. We've got a fair crew now.

SPEAKER_11 47:55

Yeah, even confirmed.

SPEAKER_09 47:56

Yeah, so that's great. I'm I'm really excited about that. Yeah, and looking forward to we spoke about in last episode the that that they start sort of um uh pre-production and uh starting in May. And so that's I I would say that that's probably why, because we'll probably start seeing some footage or some test shots.

SPEAKER_11 48:18

Yeah, he'd be I'm glad he's back because he was an important part of the first one.

SPEAKER_09 48:22

Oh, and and the second one as well. You know, he played a played a great uncle to Alex. Um, that's right.

SPEAKER_11 48:30

Oh, we were kind of talking about like we were talking about C3PO a minute ago. John Hanna sort of plays that role in the mummy movies. Yeah. He's kind of like 3PO and R2 D2 sort of all rolled into one.

SPEAKER_07 48:42

He's kind of that, you know, that irritating guy that sort of um fumbles his way out of anything and still manages to live, right? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_11 48:51

But also provides some you know comedy relief comic relief. Yeah, um no, that's really good news because yeah, John Hanner's uh awesome.

SPEAKER_09 48:58

Yeah, absolutely. So that's it for the two and going strong. We we're we're back.

SPEAKER_11 49:10

We are we are back, yeah. No, that's that's a good one, that one. Yeah, absolutely. Um I've got one more bit of news before we fully move on from the zest. Okay. Is that alright? Yeah, of course it is. I know we kind of have already anyway. But I really, really want to talk to I want to talk about this one. It's um Stephen Cobez writing a um Lord of the Rings movie.

SPEAKER_07 49:32

Oh yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 49:33

Well that should have been the first story of the movies, arguably, but it yeah, I mean it did happen, it was announced a week ago.

SPEAKER_09 49:40

He's a huge Tolkien fan and massive. And um, yeah, so that's it. Yeah, that's interesting. It's a it's a really interesting um, you know, I know that the internet's kind of divided on that, um, but I I I I give him a go. Yeah, see what see what comes at you.

SPEAKER_11 49:57

I I think if anyone's going to be able to do it, and if anyone's gonna be able to win over the cynical Tolkien fans, it's gonna be um Stephen Colbert because nobody's got credit and skin in the game like he does. Like um, anyone that's ever heard him talk about it ever can tell that he knows those books like the back of his hand.

SPEAKER_07 50:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 50:18

Um he's arguably the world authority. Like he's frequently stumped members of the cast um on trivia on his his show, on the late show. Um and uh yeah, Peter Jackson reveres Stephen's um knowledge of the books as well. So um yeah, I just wanted to mention it because I'm really excited about that. Um I love Stephen Cobert, I love Lord of the Rings, and I'm I'm really excited to see what he he can produce.

SPEAKER_09 50:45

And these are sequels to the original three, the trilogy the trilogy, is that right?

SPEAKER_11 50:51

I I've tried to get my head around exactly what it is, but uh he he in a brief interview that I saw with him between him and Peter Jackson, yeah, he said that it's based on three chapters early in The Fellowship of the Rings, so the first book of The Lord of the Rings that were not covered in the original movie in 2001. Oh. Um but I uh I'm not I'm not exactly sure whether they're going to to cover it using those characters because I think they were about Mary and Pippin and some of the other characters from the original films, but I've also heard talk that they're going to take that story and move it into the future and make this post-Return of the King. Right. So make it about one of Sam's daughters and and some other characters. So I'm not really sure. Um I did a bit more research before we recorded today to try and get my head around it, and I think it's all still a little bit early um to tell. But um, as I said, you know, I'm a big fan of Stephen Colbert, and I'm like he as far as nerds go, he is one of our kings. Yeah. Um, and so uh yeah, no, he he really knows his stuff, and I'm I'm just excited that he's involved. I'm also excited because um I was r uh really upset when he got uh axed from his show. Yeah, um and I was eager to see what it was that we he was going to do next. I was hoping that it was gonna be something um positive and high profile that um you know kept him in the cultural sphere because I think he's a really uh good man, uh, but also a very talented, funny, and intelligent one. Um and the fact that this is gonna be one of the first things that he does when he finishes up his show in a couple of months um uh is is wonderful to me. Uh partly because uh of what it's gonna give us, but also partly because of what it's gonna mean for him. Um I'm just really glad for for Steven that that this is what he's gonna get to work on.

SPEAKER_09 52:49

I I kind of like that he's branched out and not going and doing a podcast like most of the other talk show hosts seem to do once they've been cancelled. I mean they do they're looking for a platform once the show's over and they they sort of gravitate towards doing a podcast straight away.

SPEAKER_11 53:06

I I think there's no doubt, and nobody would I don't think would have any doubt that Steven could do a podcast and just walk straight into it. Of course. But um I just I yeah, but m my impression of him is my my my um uh opinion of him is so high that I tend to think that that he could probably do more. And not that there's anything wrong with podcasting, and not that there's anything wrong with some of the podcasts out there. Some of them are truly great works of you know literature, not ours, clearly. Yeah, but um uh you know some of some of them out there are really you know, they're works of art in their in themselves, and I'm sure that if Stephen did that, that's what his would be. But um I I I just he he's a man of words, he's very intelligent, as I said. I just think that um you know he's capable of pretty much anything in the cultural sphere. So um, yeah, I'm really thrilled that this is what he's gonna turn his hand towards.

SPEAKER_09 53:59

Yeah, absolutely. That's that and that's that's a great bit of news. So um that's it for the Zest. That is it for the Zest. Let's get into the aisle. Let's do that.

SPEAKER_06 54:10

It's the Jurassic Park command compound with an electronic computer that builds over a hundred commands. The computer Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Rambo, my sword.

SPEAKER_06 55:06

And Rambo and General Warhawk with their battle action weapons, each sold separately.

SPEAKER_09 55:11

Alright. What have you been reading? I have actually revisited a book. I brought it with me, so I will um definitely be posting this on our socials. Love a reread. Uh, and it's the man who shot Lucky Luke, and it's by because I'm not pronouncing it.

SPEAKER_10 55:28

I'm gonna say Mathieu Bonholm.

SPEAKER_09 55:30

Yep. So um, so Mathieu um has uh has done uh two of these books, uh, and it's the Lucky Luke series, and um this is such a yeah, and and an amazing work inside too. Um the the the great thing I love about um before I talk about the book is at the back, I don't know whether you noticed that the back of the cover is all the old Lucky Luke books. So it's like asterisk or Tinted or Yeah, same, same um I I don't know if it's the same uh artist or creator that did these, but it was in the same same time um around the 80s.

SPEAKER_14 56:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 56:10

And uh so Mathieu has um has brought this sort of into the modern um into the modern age.

SPEAKER_11 56:16

Oh so this is a uh like a reboot. This is a this is a reboot. Or a continuation like the modern asterisk stories.

SPEAKER_09 56:23

Yeah, this is not uh this is this is a a whole new story. Oh nice um and uh and and this is about um the man who the the the the legend who supposedly killed Lucky Luke, but um I I won't spoil it for you. No um the great yeah sorry no no no go on I I was just gonna say the the the artwork in this is is is beautifully um done. Uh the the the the tones that are used to to tell the story, um it it gets very wordy in in places, but uh those that those um you know those speech bubbles really sort of um lend well to the to the artwork. Yeah uh and um yeah I I like the the this sort of um you know Matthias uh Lucky Luke as well. He he seems to be a little bit more um palatable. Like the old Lucky Luke, you know, he had a really big nose and um very defined features with his ears and that type of thing. Yeah. Whereas um, you know, this this is still lends that sort of comic feel, but at the same time you can see him as a as an action hero in the Wild West.

SPEAKER_11 57:35

It looks um amazing. I have to admit, it's really weird that you've brought this up today because earlier this week I was talking to Jay at All Star Comics about Western comics. Um and uh Lucky Luke was one of the ones that he I think is reading at the moment, and he was talking about how some of them are translated into English and some of them aren't. Yeah. Um and yeah, he he was sort of raving about them as well. Um I I've not heard of them. Well, I mean, I it's possible that I might have somewhere in the recesses of my memory, but um they're not as familiar to me, but um it certainly does appeal to me. I've always loved um particularly asterisk, but I've also loved reading Tintin. Um and yeah, the thought that there's something else out there like that um is exciting to me.

SPEAKER_09 58:21

Yeah, and Matthew, uh like I said, he's done two of these now, and then and then there's a third one that's coming out soon.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 58:28

Um, and that maybe that's why Jay has sort of mentioned it. Um I I actually got these two books um through All Star because you can't get them anywhere through any other provider. Okay. Uh so so you know, if you're looking for these books, go to your local comic book store, ask for the Lucky Weeks series, and um and and you won't be disappointed um by any means. I I'm not too sure when the new book is coming out. Um and and because it's um it's all in French, so he's uh he's a French artist and creator.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 59:04

Uh and so he will uh I would say that we'll just have to wait for the translated uh version into English. But when it does, I'll be grabbing a copy and reviewing it on the show for sure.

SPEAKER_11 59:15

There's uh I'm just having a look at AllStars website and there's a few um uh apparently still floating around. Floating around. Um limited availability, I think, at the moment, but um I'm I might have to investigate. Yeah, um, that looks really good.

SPEAKER_10 59:30

Well worth the collection. That's uh and so the title again, but what's this one called?

SPEAKER_09 59:34

This is the man who shot Lucky Luke. Nice. Uh and um so this is the second uh second in the book series. So he's um rounded out with a third, which I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Okay. Um but yeah, I'll let you know here.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

There are three books in the Lucky Luke series: Wanted Lucky Luke, The Man Who Shot Lucky Luke, and the new one coming soon, Lucky Luke's Long March.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:02

So there you go. That's that's the answer for that question. Yeah, we all learned something. Yeah. So um so that's that's what I've been uh reading uh this week. Um very nice. Yeah, what about you?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:14

Uh well I finished off um issue number four of a series we've talked about a lot on the podcast, um Our Stained Heart. Yes. Um I'm behind. That's okay. I uh I might won't be any spoilers for me. Thank you. Yeah, no, I really enjoyed uh the conclusion. Um it was yeah, the yeah, beautiful artwork uh from Stipp Stipan Morien.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:36

Um conclusion, so there's only three. Four. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm not that far behind. Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:42

Must be. Must be. Yeah, no, it's just uh four four issues run and done. So hopefully out in a um a trade paperback sometime soon. Perfect. But um I really enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to rereading it. Okay. Um I think it'll read now that you know you can revisit. I think it'll read better as a trade. Okay. Uh as opposed to four separate issues. I've really enjoyed it as four four separate issues. Yeah. But I think it'll be an even better experience reading it as a trade. Got it. Um, so I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, um much of what I've uh been reading this week is as as um is probably the same with a lot of comic readers, is been DC.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:20

Um because they brought out some number ones.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:22

They brought out some number ones. I've read all three of those uh DC all in number ones. Lobo, Deathstroke, the Terminator, and Batwoman.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:30

Yeah, and in last episode, I reviewed Lobo and Deathstroke. Yes. Um, without giving anything away.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:37

What's your thoughts now on those two books?

SPEAKER_11 1:01:40

Uh well we're going, I guess, in order, what did I say? Lobo first. Yeah. Um, I really enjoyed Lobo. Yep. Um, I thought it was a great continuation from the um, I think it was Alan Grant's Simon Beasley stuff from uh the uh from the 90s. Um I liked some of the visual um tributes they paid to those books because those books were um rich uh visually and dynamic. Um and I really enjoyed it. I I thought it was really good. I I like the take, it's uh a modern spin um uh uh story-wise, um, and I'm excited to read more.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:21

It's funny, um Scotty Young, I saw an interview with Scotty Young uh just in the last couple of days, and he they were asking him what his influences were, yeah, and he actually referred to the 90s comic. Yep, uh, that and Mad Magazine. So he used those to to write this the these this this series.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:41

Oh, you can absolutely see that. Yeah, it's wild, isn't it? Right down to the fact that they're parodying a big budget popular movie that I won't mention, yeah. But um, you know, that they're they're literally parodying that as part of this story.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:56

Yeah. Um so it's fun, it's super fun book. Completely fun, yeah, but but off the wall as you would expect for Lobo. Totally.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:03

Yeah, interestingly, um I I just recalling, but um talking about Scotty Young and uh Jorge Corona with Jay at All-Star was how we got onto the Western genre. Yeah, um, because we were talking about a book that they did called Ain't No Grave, right? Um, which is a Western, which I'm yet to read, but I'm going to, and and that was how we got on to Lucky Luke. Right. Um just to tie that tie that off. Yep. Um I also read, yeah, I read Batwoman, um, really enjoyed Batwoman. Um really enjoyed uh it's is it's an interesting thing to say. Have you read it?

SPEAKER_09 1:03:40

I haven't read it. I've I've sort of flicked through the pages and had a look at it.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:44

It's an interesting thing to say that I really enjoyed it because like Kate Kane in this issue is going through some stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:50

Like um, you know, she she's in a really bad place. So uh when I say I enjoyed it, I thought it was a really good story. Yeah, um, but uh I like that they've uh sort of approached Kate at a really low ebb. Yeah, um she can only go up from here. Completely. Um having had my own struggles with with mental health and uh you know worked my way through the the um system of therapy, etc., um stories like this I find really interesting um because I think they're telling stories that are really relevant to a lot of us who uh enduring life in 2026. Um and so I'm excited that uh that that's the the angle they're taking. I mean Kate Kane in in any form, whether it's the television show or the earlier comics by Greg Rucker or anyone else, is going through some stuff. Um and I'm glad to see that that's what she's doing again here. She's a a tortured character who is um living a difficult existence and um you know is going through some stuff, and that's where we catch her here.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:56

Um well, you know, heroes are uh are human with feelings and thoughts and you know challenges.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:03

And so many of them are burdened with traumas of one type or another, and and Kate's absolutely no exception. Yeah. Um, and so I I'm I'm excited that that that they're going to be dealing with some you know fairly heavy mental and emotional subject matter.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:18

Um I really like the art by Danny. Um I thought it was um yeah, really great sort of um atmospheric and and noir type stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:27

Yeah, it's a bit juxtaposing depending on what the subject matter is in the book, from what I can see. A little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:33

Um but but no, I'm I'm I really enjoyed the first issue there. It's very much a first issue, like it at the the conclusion um, you know, absolutely leaves you wanting to read issue number two, which I am looking forward to. But um, you know, I really enjoyed Batman, Batwoman as well. Yeah. Um I also enjoyed Death Stroke the Terminator. I told you it was pretty like action packed. It was, it was great. From start to finish. Yeah, there was a couple of like

SPEAKER_09 1:06:00

like um double page spreads yeah um particularly one at the the very start yeah um that i know that they've posted on social media and stuff but i won't spoil it um is uh it was epic um really really good um yeah and i came away uh being reminded what a uh difficult person Slade Wilson must be to did to live with yeah yeah um he's just such a dick to everybody he really is like it doesn't matter he's full of his own importance and that's all there is to it right shocking um yeah no really really difficult character and that's why I enjoyed reading this issue so much but it makes him that that's what makes him probably a formidable assassin right you know is that he is just so into himself that he doesn't care about anybody else.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:44

Well I think I think part of the reason that he is the way that he is is because he does care more than he lets on. Well yeah okay I can see what you're saying I mean I I get it you know how you can like he you can you can care and not care at the same time I think he's kind of like that like you you you you can not care but you cannot care about the things that you're doing but not be confident in it. Yeah and I don't think that every part of Slade is confident in it.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:09

Oh yeah he he definitely makes it up as it goes right in some situations.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:14

How do you do a job like that and still love your kids? Yeah like how how do you do that and still feel feel trauma at what has happened to his kids that's that's that's a like psychopath or a sociopath something like that but I I just find that really interesting because it's a it's a it's a uh juxtaposition that I find fascinating.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:36

It felt it felt like a John Wick film like it it really did you know it's it's it's it's action from start to finish and some of those scenes are pretty pretty intense and how exciting is it at the end yeah I mean what's going to happen now.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:49

Yeah I know right um yeah no I can't wait to see what happens in subsequent issues of of Deathstroke um I really I really loved it.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:57

100% I'm I'm right right with you on that one. Yeah um I'll keep rolling but the other one that I read obviously this week was the big issue that drove people into comic bookshops uh Superman Spider-Man the big crossover oh yes um have you read this how many um how many uh different variant covers did you get no well that's not relevant um okay yeah you got 15 no I didn't I didn't other than 20 also I didn't get 15 it was 12 and there was more than 20 but um no I didn't know I didn't get to it was I think it was I was very mindful very demure okay um I I controlled myself but anyway that's good to know derailing the whole conversation have you read Superman Spider Man no I have not okay well I was again you should yeah everybody should anyone that tell us why anyone that likes comics fun superman yeah or Spider-Man DC or Marvel should read that comic you know when when I when it was first announced I didn't I didn't put their their personas together I put it as Spider-Man and Superman together not not as not Peter and Clark not Peter and Clark and so I was like why are they putting these two together and it didn't didn't click with me until later yeah when I went oh they're both you know reporters or you know he he's a photographer for for a newspaper yeah so that that when once that once I saw that I was like oh okay I get it right and I think that that was a a a good get and a and a good crossover to have well I think they put them together for multiple reasons many some of which are obvious and some of which are not um the stories that are in the comic explore why yeah okay and so I won't talk too much about those but um visually I mean you said there's been a lot of variant covers and one of the reasons that they've been so popular is because of the aesthetic of the two characters.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:00

Yeah they predominantly share the same two colours yeah and so it's um perfect material for artists to create all sorts of different uh combinations and and beautiful artworks that can go on covers so I I I don't blame them for printing so many yeah and I don't blame myself for buying so many. Yeah okay um so I think that that's part of it and also um Superman is the symbol of DC comics. You know DC might be based on detective comics but which is obviously Batman but um you know Superman is the the number one he was where it all started. Spider-Man likewise with Marvel you know he he's he's the symbol of Marvel comics um he's the most popular comic character in the world um and so I think it makes perfect sense for them to put these two together. I think that when they did Batman Deadpool last year they did it because they knew it would be fun. Yeah it was the same reason they put Deadpool and Wolverine together in the movie was because they knew that those two were going to rub up against each other in uh combustible ways.

SPEAKER_14 1:11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:06

And it was the same with Batman and Deadpool for quite uh a large part. Whereas these two uh they do have a lot of similarities um and they've got a lot of differences as well. But um the the stories that are in this book are great and one of the reasons that I think that people should read it is because um the writing's top notch the art's amazing like the the talent that they've assembled for these and for the Batman Deadpool issues uh from last year yeah uh are absolutely the top of the game yeah um in comics at the moment um and some of the stories they put together are really good one of my favorites in this is n it doesn't really feature prominently Superman and Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:53

Um it features two I I'd almost say C or D grade um characters in the Spider-Man Superman canon and I loved it. Yeah right um so there's some some really interesting stories in in in in this as well um there's one with Lois and Mary Jane which is really great um as well uh it it it just shows the um similarities and differences between Superman and Spider-Man from lots of different angles and more than anything it's just really fun.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:25

Yeah no it's uh well I mean I'll just put it on my list like everything else. Yeah. Which was your favourite cover?

SPEAKER_11 1:12:30

It's like asking to choose your favourite child but it was interesting because like the the the variant covers cost a bit more like American dollars they cost a dollar more. Right. So here it was like two bucks more or whatever. Yeah. I actually thought that the best one was the but the basic cover. Okay. I I really liked the Jorge Jimenez um standard cover. As you intimated I did buy several others but that's because there were so many beautiful ones yeah but um I I I really think of of the lot of them the the Jorge one was uh the way it was composed balanced um the way it used the the colours the blue and the red um I just thought it was a beautiful cover. It was just you know well balanced um it it looked great framed on people's walls and I'm sure it already is um in many living rooms around the world.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:19

Yeah no that's that's that's awesome. Yeah that's so cool and and and we obviously spoke uh earlier about uh the crossover with uh Spider-Man 2099 and Batman Beyond yeah well that's I mean that's the thing like there was confusion last year with Batman and Deadpool because there were two separate issues released.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:38

Yeah one of them was published predominantly by DC Comics and it was Batman Deadpool and the other one was by Marvel and it was Deadpool Batman. Yeah and they had completely different stories in them and a lot of people particularly ones that don't read lots of comics didn't understand that they were different things. Yeah um and that's the way it's gonna be again this year.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:55

I think it's the 15th of April Spider-Man Superman comes out and we get a whole new range of uh stories um from amazing writers um artwork from amazing artists and a whole bunch of new variant covers as well so we'll do it all over again yeah that the the variant cover is definitely a a a popular item again isn't it it is I've never like I mean I until the last few years I've never really been into them all that much like I bought I bought multiple XFO covers back in the day that like in the 90s and I think I bought two Jim Lee X-Men covers.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:32

Yeah there was like a standard and there was a fold out this was like 1991. Yeah and since then I haven't really done but some they're so beautiful now and I've in now that I'm a a grown-up and I've got my own house and I've got frames around the place with comic books in them I I I do buy a few more.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:48

Yeah and and I mean I I think you you touched on something really important there about the 90s that is that it that we we've we've sort of seen this 90s resurgence with with um covers you know and variant covers and I mean I I I think Marvel you know sort of played a little bit with that but I think it was image that really sort of took it to the next level yeah and gave you some really wild covers. Yeah so glow in the dark and um you know blood stained you know under under sunlight and you know and all that those types of different um ways of of presenting the cover. Yeah and I think that that's what we're getting now. I I don't think it's to that degree but we're getting some great artists on who are essentially doing an art piece you know in in in in a book that you want to read.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:38

Yeah. And and I think it's really fun because like you you see like there's lots of people these days you know particularly younger people kids I'm gonna call them posting on Instagram and TikTok and stuff for their you know weekly reads and all sorts of stuff and you see on the walls in their room their favourite characters framed in covers. And um I I love that there's such a wide selection for them to do that with I love that they're doing that. You know would have if if I'd have been doing that back in the day it would have meant the world to me. So um you know I think it's it's it's great fun. You know you've got to control yourself like with all things but um yeah no I I love that there's there's so many options for people to celebrate and enjoy because um you know comics are an art form we know this. Yep and um you know the the more the better. Absolutely uh if you don't have anything else I've got one more oh yeah one more and then I'll finish off go I read a um a graphic novel this week um totally different to what we've just been talking about but it's uh called Barking um by Lucy Sullivan who I think she's uh English or British um if I'm wrong I apologise but um uh yeah Barking um it was posted on All Stars previews for this month although as it turned out we still had a copy at the shop which I bought um the thing that got me with this one was the the cover like um I was talking about mental health a few minutes ago yeah um the cover of this one is the main character whose name is uh Alex I think no definitely Alex um and as she's sort of being stalked by uh a looming shadowy figure that's clearly a black dog right and that spoke to me as someone that struggled with depression and um anxiety and all sorts of other stuff I knew what that image meant um it's a metaphor for depression it's a very strong metaphor for depression totally black dog um and the the word barking also spoke to me because uh I assumed that what she was alluding to there was the the phrase barking man. Yeah um and this book is about um her own experiences uh in the British um mental health system right uh her own crisis in the past um it's not biographical by any means that she's you know the the character of Alex is fictional but um it's lent on her experience it's drawn on her experience and the the the cover was what uh got me and when I read the the blurb I thought I've got to read this thing I sat down and I read it all in one reading the other night okay um it really spoke to me um you know I've spent a little bit of time in um uh mental health institution um in uh you know recovering from my own uh struggles um and that's what the character of Alex does in in this book um she has probably a lesser experience than what I've had you know I've I've come through mine I think stronger and um more I would definitely resilient more resilient happier um uh and uh a better person for it um and doing a podcast and doing a podcast the the the character the character of the character in the the comic book has a a a lesser experience yeah it's partly a criticism of the um the the pressures that are put on the people working within the British system yeah um to uh uh uh work on the complexity of issues that people are experiencing um but I really enjoyed it um just because it was a story about um how the struggles of so many of us um get swept under the rug because they're too difficult for people to understand. Or don't have the funding or don't have the funding availability or they're just just under so much pressure because you know mental health is such a uh a uh ubiquitous um issue in our society and other ones yeah um particularly in a post uh COVID society we've all been through a fair bit um but I really enjoyed the story um the the artwork was very um emotive and atmospheric um haunting confronting in some in parts um as was the story but um I just love that this story was being uh told in a format that is accessible um and also one that is so close to my heart yeah um and so yeah I just wanted to give a shout out to to Barking by Lucy Sullivan I believe it's got a new supplier and it's being uh re-released um in a month or two okay which is how it got onto my radar um so this is an older book is it it's an older book that was I think originally printed in 2019 right exactly the version I read um had been reproduced a couple of years ago right but as I said I think it's being uh printed again yeah uh through a new supplier sometime soon um and for anyone that's interested in that sort of subject matter um I highly highly recommend it that's awesome that's a great that's a great recommendation well I think we're on to uh the review Tauntaun from Kenner's Star Wars the Empire Strikes Back Collection it's new Tauntaun the mission emerged Tauntaun has removable reins and saddle action figures each old separately rebel soldier and solo help looks to danger tauntaun's front and hind legs move I found him our mission's complete tauntaun from Star Wars the Empire Strikes Back Collection action figures each old separately new from Kenner what have you been watching night well let's um do we do we hold off with uh Daredevil or do you want to talk about Dead Devil now?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:28

No jump straight in yeah Deadevil Reborn season two you've watched I have watched yeah and it was great it was really really good what's the what tell us what you liked about it yeah I liked the actors and and the script um you liked how colourful it was it was colourful no I I I I actually really liked um the launching of this this one yeah uh I I I felt that we we we got tied down in the first season a little bit with character development like re-establishing who Fisk was who um you know who Daredevil was their rivalry against each other this is really sort of jumped on um from the the the last part it's it's hard to talk about because you don't want to obviously give too much away if you haven't seen season one um but I I really like um where the dynamic of uh daredevil now being a a wanted vigilante yeah uh and I don't think that that's giving anything away.

SPEAKER_14 1:22:30

No.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:31

I and and I like that we're getting back into Street Smarts again. Yeah and uh and what that looks like for not only Daredevil but those that are associated with him.

SPEAKER_14 1:22:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:43

I really, really really like how much of a loose canon um Matt Murdoch is when he becomes Daredevil. Yeah there there is so much tension and built-up rage that you can see that's coming out in Daredevil that's not coming out in Matt Murdoch. He seems to be suppressing a lot of that that anger and frustration and um and and waiting until he you know puts on the on on on the uh on the costume.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:11

Yeah and I think I think that's part of the appeal of Daredevil as a character whether it's on television or in comics and the same with Batman. Yeah um that rage that is sort of bubbling under the surface and then yeah and and and and also the the the indicators that on some level what they're doing is selfish and what they're what what some on some level what they're doing is for themselves and for their own satisfaction. Yeah um you know no matter how they hide behind the the banner of justice and and and doing right part of it is um selfish and for themselves. Yeah um yeah I really enjoyed it as well I I think I think you're right it it really did sort of um flow on well from season one. Yeah I think it'll work out really well for people that haven't watched all of season one going straight from the last episode of last season to this one. But yeah likewise I'm I really enjoyed it and I'm really excited for um subsequent episodes.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:06

I'm not a huge I'm not a not a huge daredevil reader so help me understand about the uh the the psychologist um is she a character in the book series do you know like I I have to confess I'm not completely well read up like I'm still um ensconced in the Chip Zadaski stuff right um so I've got uh Saladin Ahmed to read and then now there's new stuff I think from Stephanie Phillips which is coming out this week or next week or something but that's an yet another creative team so I don't pretend to be completely up with all of it.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:47

I'm honestly I'm not sure I know there's plenty of characters within the show that are based on um characters from the from the book from the books um whether it's uh Kristen or Kirsten McDuffie um or um I've forgotten his name but one of the uh Wilson Fisk's lesser enforcers is based on a character from the Zadaski stuff. Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:13

So I'm not sure I I suspect she probably is I just wonder where she's going you know like where where this is it's very interesting isn't it it it's it's 100% interesting yeah and that's why I'm wondering honestly I don't know yeah um but I'm cool with that yeah because I'm intrigued as a as a viewer of the show to see where it's all going. What that what that looks like whether whether that she becomes a villain or whether she's clearly not well no and I think there's something yeah I mean that something to be said about a psychologist that's not well exactly yeah but I think that's fa a fascinating subject matter in any form.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:49

But in this one you know I definitely think like she's she's clearly struggling in a lot of ways and yeah as you say um not taking her own advice that she would give to her patients. No but I mean that's you know when when when you're in crisis you don't always know uh a when that you're in crisis and that you you know how deep you're in crisis.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:06

So everybody seems to be in crisis right like that that they are all in crisis in some way shape or form.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:14

Well it's I mean it's it's dead evolved.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:15

Yeah and but that's what I'm saying right and and uh and I think that that's this I I I feel this this this season has and we've only got what one episode two episodes we've only had one episode one episode yeah we've got one one so far and and and that it felt like it just took it up to the next level you know it it turned it up to 11 this time around completely um you know the violence is turned definitely turned up to 11 this is yeah John Wick style for sure it's back to the Netflix stuff yeah uh yeah and I mean we had a fair bit of that in season one too but um yeah it's not not the sort of stuff you'd watch with your um your four year old no definitely not um I'm looking forward to Jessica Jones I'm I'm really cannot wait yeah I'm really looking forward to to seeing what that looks like for her re-entering I love Kristen Ritter's Jessica Jones yeah I love the show yeah I've loved Kristen Ritter since breaking bad yeah um yeah I I'm so hyped is that the word the kids use that's a great that's a great word um yeah no so hyped or hype they might use it on the toc tock I don't know so yeah I don't know uh let me know kiddos uh but yeah no I'm I'm super pumped um for the return of of Jessica Jones um I yeah cannot wait yeah uh I really agree with you on that one I I I'm just uh like we said the new one will drop uh you know um by the time this episode so um but let us know are you watching Daredevil um born again um hit us up on all the socials and tell us what your thoughts are on it. What else have you but watched this I'm uh I I also uh managed to watch the latest uh episode of Invincible season four. Yep. It's really interesting. I watched this in three parts. And when I say three parts, I watched the first fifteen minutes and then I stepped away from it and then I watched the next fifteen minutes and then stepped away from it.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:15

Why?

SPEAKER_11 1:28:15

And then I why did you do that?

SPEAKER_09 1:28:17

I don't know. I just I just felt I felt that uh there was just something about it that just didn't sit well with me to watch it all the way through. I haven't seen it. And and it's written by um Robert Kirkman, and and and I'm a massive fan of Robert Kirkman, and I have no issues in his writing ability. Um or but there was something about this, and and the reason I say this is because it's now the lowest rated um episode for the entire run of Invincible.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:49

Was it really different?

SPEAKER_09 1:28:50

It was the story, the storyline is so we've got um uh Dark Blood's back, um, who's the the uh the detective from hell. It's a bit like the the sort of the spin-on Damien uh Damien Dark Dark um from DC. Ettregon. So it's the same, it's that sort of same Jason Blood. Jason Blood, sorry, yes, Jason Blood.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:14

Etrig and the demon.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:16

So um, you know, it's the same similar thing, right? Um and they they summon Invincible down to hell to essentially save hell from a new big bad. Wild and but there was a lot of conversation. There was some action, don't get me wrong, there's some action in it. Invincible style. Was it too much talking for your nation? Uh no, I don't know. There was just something uh I I don't know whether it was the pacing, there was something about it that just didn't feel it felt very disconnected, maybe. That's probably the best way to describe it. Okay. It felt disconnected from what we've been watching over the last three and a bit seasons. But this was the first episode. This was the no, this is uh this is episode four of them. Oh four.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:05

Because they they released three at once.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:07

Yes, and then we got one a week, and then I think we're getting two at the end or something or other. So don't get me wrong, I mean it was still it was still a good episode.

SPEAKER_14 1:30:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:18

But it it there was like I said, I I just I lost concentration in it.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:22

You know, do you reckon like because these shows often change direction sort of mid season for a bit and then get back on track?

SPEAKER_09 1:30:31

I I think Do you think that's what it's doing? I think yeah, and it's probably that's a great question to pose because there was definitely something in this that that we've been seeing happening in Mark, um, who plays Invincible.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:44

Um who plays who is Invincible, yes. Um, and uh the the the switch was flipped, right? In him. Yeah. And so something changed in him based on what he'd encountered in Hell, okay, which is now obviously going to push that character forward. Um so so yeah, I mean there was definitely something very real that was happening there that helped him to get out of his own head and get back into you know the hero game.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:17

And so, but that's that episode also left us on a bit of a cliffhanger with a reintroduction of some characters um that that we haven't you know sort of seen together for a while. Okay. So that's that's a really good thing as well. Like I said, it it wasn't a bad episode. It just felt disconnected and I felt um, yeah, I just my attention span on it wasn't wasn't there. Okay. Um like I have been with with some of the other episodes. Um, you know, some episodes I've been like sitting on the edge of my seat wondering what's going to happen next. Um, and really loved that uh an animated series has been able to bring that back out on me um again. Uh so yeah, I I I still highly rate it. I still think it's a great series. I still love the direction that they're going in and they're taking liberties and changing the story a little bit and giving you, you know, some some new meaning to characters and all the rest of it. But um, yeah, like I said, it it's still worth sitting through just for the payoff of the change in him and the change and the cliffhanger that we get at the end. Okay, interesting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:32

Alright, I'll I'll catch up eventually with Invincible.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:34

Yeah, what are you being watching?

SPEAKER_11 1:32:37

Uh well I've caught up a little bit with um one of my favourite shows on Apple TV, Shrinking. Yes. Uh with Harrison Ford and Jason Siegel and others. Um, and yeah, I'm really enjoying that. I've got one episode left of the season. Um, it's doing its usual thing of uh making me laugh out loud and tugging at my heartstrings. Yeah. Um so that's really good. Um the other thing is not TV or movies or anything, but um uh producer Kim and 17-year-old and I went out to um the Art Centre in Melbourne um earlier this week uh for uh a nerd-related activity. We went and saw the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra uh do one of their Art of the Score series, Art of the Scores, uh another podcast um that is about uh uh movie scores and soundtracks.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:24

Fantastic podcast if you haven't listened to it. It's a great podcast.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:28

Um and so this was presented by um the three guys, yeah. Uh one conductor and and two um uh music scholars and radio broadcasters who um uh were talking about um James Horner, the late um composer uh who did movies like um Titanic, um Aliens, Braveheart, um uh Land Before Time uh and others. Um and so basically it was a selection of of music from the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra accompanied by um a couple of uh soloists and the Australian girls choir um doing the music of of James Horner. Um and so we heard tracks from Avatar and yeah, Titanic and um uh The Rocketeer. Um I'd forgot uh Rocketeer is one of my favourite films and I'd forgotten that James Horner did the score for it, but we heard music from that. Um The Mask of Zorro, which is another one of my favorite uh James Horner soundtracks, they played some music from that. Um, and we had a really awesome time.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:35

Um it's great to be reconnected with with soundtracks, you know, and you don't you you you never realised oh that's who the composer was for that, or yeah, and or that I mean it's like music in general that it that it brings out uh some type of memory or nostalgia.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:50

And you know, like when you said the Rocketeer, like I instantly went back in time, you know, to where I first saw it. And I I'd never realised that he was the composer for that.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:00

But I I knew, but I had forgotten. But I love that. And so it was a nice surprise when I was sitting at uh um Hamer Hall the other night and they started talking about Rocketeer and and then playing some of the music. They played uh the music was from the segment of the film uh where the uh uh plane, it's like the the circus planes all get out of control, yeah, yeah. And Rocketeer has to come and save the day. Yeah. And an amazing piece of music. It's like so dynamic and um multidimensional but uh and perilous but joyous, and I don't know. We'd we had a great time anyway. Um so yeah, I just wanted to give a shout out to the MSO and yeah, to the Art of the Score podcast, because um that's the second one of those we've been to now. We went to John Williams last year, um, and it's been a really good time. Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:52

That's that's great. Yeah, all right, maybe we'll get into our feature segment for this week. Yes. Uh Producer Kim uh set the challenge actually for us. Yes. Uh we spoke quite a number of uh uh episodes ago where I think you I think you kind of put the challenge out for producer Kim and then producer Kim's like bonnet like white on rice.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:18

Yeah, she's she she's uh she uh does like to pick up a gourmet.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:24

So which was great because um we I I think you said that uh we were talking about Empire Strikes Back, and we're talking about and I think your statement was like that's the biggest reveal um in movie history. Yes. And so producer Kim's like, I don't what about this one?

SPEAKER_07 1:36:42

And what about this one? And what about this one?

SPEAKER_11 1:36:44

I think I did say I I could be wrong, I'm probably I'm probably forgetting some. I said, but um yeah, and I still stand by that. I still think it's the biggest uh biggest, most shocking reveal in it definitely, I mean, arguably, it's probably the most famous twist in a f in film history, I would say, right? I did think of a really good one soon after I said that, after we'd finished recording though.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:06

Well, it's funny you should say that because I've got a list. Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:09

So let's go see if the one that I was thinking of is on the list.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:11

Let's let's go through our movie uh movie reveals. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, so um obviously Empire Strikes. Now we'll do our best not to spoil these films, just in case you haven't seen them. However, uh, we'll uh put the spoilers in here now. Spoiler alert. Um, and if you don't want to listen to this, we'll we'll uh forgive you for fast-forwarding, okay? But uh look, uh we I I would say probably another massive one was uh 1999's uh the sixth cents. I see dead people. Yes. Uh and uh the the reveal in that towards the end of the film is uh was was very much talked about around the water cool.

SPEAKER_14 1:38:02

It's a pretty good one.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:03

Yeah, and it's a pretty good one. You know, unfortunately, I knew that that was the end about five minutes into the film.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:11

I don't know whether I'd ever I don't think that was the sort of movie I would have gone to see in a cinema.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:16

And so I think I might have had that spoiled before I saw it, but I can't I can't I can't remember.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:22

Yeah, and and yeah, it's funny you should say that because that wasn't a a genre that people were going to to the movies to see.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:28

No.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:29

But based on the fact that it was um Bruce Willis and there was a lot of hype around you're never gonna guess what happens and all that that was M. Night Chum. M Lite Shameland's I think it was like one of his first sort of features as well. It still hits, it got him on the map.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:45

But but but even that twist, even if you even if you know it's coming, yeah, it's the same as like Darth Vader's I Am Your Father. It's still well, it still hits. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. How long has it been?

unknown 1:39:00

40.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:00

Yeah, 40 years. Um no, I'm I'm not I'm not apologizing for that.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:06

Okay. Uh okay, let's keep going. Uh say still in 1999, um, we had Fight Club. So that was a big reveal um towards the end. Have you seen Fight Club? I have. Yeah. So another snapped is a ripper. Yeah. Another big reveal that you wouldn't you wouldn't know until the end.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:25

No.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:26

And and I think that that was that was what made that that that great.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:29

Um that's a real head spinner, though.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:31

Yeah, it is a head spinner.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:33

However, once you know, you know, right? Yeah. And I and I and going back and re-watching it, you can sort of see how very cleverly it was the the everything was framed, yeah, to to make you assume that, but then when you know what you know without giving anything away. No, I won't spoil that one. Yeah, don't spoil that one. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:55

That's only that's only 25 27 years or something. Not frickin' 50.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:02

It hasn't hit the ceiling of uh of non-spoilers, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:40:05

No, it's not a not it hasn't entered spoiler public domain.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:09

One of one of my favourite films, 1995's uh The Usual Suspects. Okay. That's got a that's got a big reveal at the end with Kaiser Sose and who Kaiser Sose was.

SPEAKER_10 1:40:20

I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:21

You haven't seen it? No. Okay. So uh challenge for you is to put that on your list to to watch. Okay. Um great great cast.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:28

Big twist that'll be will be that I've watched it.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:30

Big big twist. Well, there's two twists then. Um but uh yeah, there's a big, big reveal um and and just really great storytelling there. Um so highly recommend that one. Uh going into some psychological or mind-bending twists. Yeah, uh, Shutter Island, uh, which was Leonardo DiCaprio.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:54

Have you seen that one?

SPEAKER_11 1:40:55

No.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:55

Okay, so uh uh and more homework for me. Was that a Scorsese film? I think it was I think so. Yes. So uh again, um yeah, big twist, um, very devastating, um, but just really, really interesting in in regards to to uh another sort of you know movie twist that you weren't expecting or a reveal. Yeah. Um uh going into something that's uh and and these are very mind-bending ones, Memento from 2000, um, which was Nolan's film. Yes. But um again, just you know, the way that that structure was, you know, sort of that twist was or already baked in. Yeah. And we didn't realise what it was until you know the end towards the end of the film. Yeah. Um, you know, and and the and the belief system that you had in the film, like is that actually true? Was that right? Is that how it ended? You know. Um, so yeah, I I I think Memento is a really good one when it comes to that genre. Okay. Um uh Black Swan from 2010. Uh again, haven't seen it. Uh obviously that was a psychological sort of thriller.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:10

Yeah, I I I I need to put that on my list though, because Winona Ryder is my favourite actress and um I love Natalie Portman.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:18

So and deals very, very strongly with mental health and um Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:23

I I I feel like that of that's uh a movie that I'm at the right time to watch.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:28

Yeah. Um the uh another one of uh I love this film as well. Um still haven't named the one that I thought of. I don't know, we'll get there. Um uh The Prestige from 2006 was um was uh another Nolan film. And um was it Nolan who did the prestige?

SPEAKER_11 1:42:46

See the thing about these, uh it was Christopher Nolan. It was Christopher Nolan who did the prestige. The thing about these though is that like I've seen the prestige, I can't remember what the twist was. Oh, really? But who could but no one's gonna forget Darth Vader, no one's gonna forget the six ends. That's this is what I'm talking about. Like we're talking about the biggest ever.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:01

Yeah, well, I mean, we we've already said that that Empire Strikes Back is probably the the pinnacle.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:08

But I mean, when we're talking about the prestige, it's not even a contender. I I wouldn't say it's a contender, but I'd say that it's got a good movie twist to it, it's got a good reveal.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:15

Yeah. Um it's not gonna knock off the champ, it's like a chihuahua chipping around its ankles. It's Rocky III.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:23

Um But you know, it's I I mean the Prestige does have a good payoff at the end. I mean, I wasn't definitely not expecting the reveal that they had.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:34

So you're saying the prestige is I'm not saying it's better. You're saying it's it's bigger than the Empire Strikes.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:40

I'm not saying it's better than I well, we'll go into the Mount Rushmore of reveals afterwards, all right? But but right now, I I I mean I'm just sort of uh highlighting some of the probably the biggest ones in movie history.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:53

You heard it here, people. Yeah. Cancel him. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:57

Uh Thrillers and Horror. Uh Saw. 2004's Saw.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:03

I'm not gonna have seen any of these things.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:04

Yeah, so so um, you know, Lee Winnell did a fantastic job of of writing that with James Wyan.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:12

What was the twist? It wasn't a saw, it was a hammer.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:14

It was um and uh it was it was uh I'll tell you off I'll tell you off off air because I don't I definitely don't want to spoil that. That that has a great twist in it that I definitely did not see coming. Really did not see coming.

SPEAKER_14 1:44:28

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:29

But very, very cleverly written. Um and it's one of those it's one of those films that you know you've got a very limited cast, uh, and so they're and they're in uh a single room for a long period of time. Yeah, and those films can get very boring very, very fast. Um, this definitely held the pacing, and that that ending was just such a great payoff.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:53

So that's that's one you can tell me about after.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:55

Yeah, highly recommend. Uh Get Out Um from 2017.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:00

Love to get out.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:01

Yeah, um, so that was Jordan Peel's sort of real first directorial. Debut, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:07

Won an Oscar for the script.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:08

Yeah. Um, and what a great twist. Yeah. That definitely.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:14

No, that was uh great movie. I've seen that twice.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:17

Yeah, I've I've seen it a couple of times now myself. So um, yeah, I think that's a that's a great one. Um one film that I haven't seen um is Hereditary, um uh which uh you know that storyline shifts um in a different direction. Yep. Um but yeah, like I said, it it it becomes darker than expected. So um that's that's one I haven't seen, so I I can't vouch for it. It definitely isn't on the Mount Rushmore, that's for sure. Okay. Um one film that I've talked about in the past, which you know is in my top three films that I'm gonna leave and was talked into staying was The Others um from 2001 with Nicole Kibbon.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:58

Yes, I remember you talking about it.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:59

Yep, um so which I vehemently, you know, that's on my my hate list, yeah um, unfortunately. But uh it just uh and that that's a ghost story which sort of flips on its head. Um so again, I can appreciate the reveal. I just think that it took a long time to get to it. Um Modern or Didn't See It Coming, um uh Parasite from 2019.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:25

Yep, again, have haven't should have seen that, but I haven't.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:28

Yep, great, great film. Um, you know, obviously won awards for it um based on 17-year-old content.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:35

Uh big fan.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:36

Yeah, um, so yeah, definitely uh uh a great um, you know, and it and it changes that entire genre mid-movie. So it's not what you think it is. Okay, and I think that that's what what made it a you know an enjoyable watch.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:51

I do want to see that one because I like I've seen um Mickey 17, yeah. Uh Bong Junho, yeah, um and I've seen that was bonkers.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:01

That was great fun. It was bonkers. I loved it. I I think that that's if you know if I was a movie critic and I you know and they they they put my uh my review up, it would just be, you know, star star star bonkers star star star.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:15

That that would be my review.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:16

What the ever-liffing it's just bonkers, um yeah, it was it was bonkers, but I loved it. Yeah, um, but that made me want to see it. And I see Snowpiercer as well. Yeah, right. And we've really enjoyed the subsequent TV series of the producers.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:30

So I do need to see Parasite.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:32

Yeah. Uh Gone Girl from 2014. Yes. Um, good, good reveal. Um, good change in definitely not up there with Empire Strikes Back, but again, a nice twist in um, you know, sort of that resets your perception sort of approach in the story. Yeah. Um Arrival. Um is I I think is a really good one. It's a it's a great sort of you know, emotional and intellectual, you know, sort of reveal at the same twist.

SPEAKER_12 1:48:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:02

Um uh X Mackinac um is is another one.

SPEAKER_10 1:48:07

Yes, yeah, yeah. Uh from 2014. It certainly is another movie. Yep. Oh, just none of these are just adding up to none of them are even getting close.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:17

So I've got a couple of I've got a couple others, right? Uh we've got seven reveal at the end of seven. Yeah. What's in the box? What's in the box? Goop. Right? Um, so that one goop. No. Uh Old Boy. Uh haven't seen it. Okay, so yeah, that's an unforgettable um reveal. Right. Um uh Primal Fear Um was another one. Okay with um, or more importantly, whose father was he? Edward Norton. Uh Primal Fear with Edward Norton. Okay. Uh it was a 90s film, I think. Yeah. And that final um scene performance was a massive twist. Definitely did not see that coming at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:14

Um uh we had The Atonement, which was uh which was an older film as well.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:21

Um it's not that old, but it's older. Um standing on. Uh and uh and and the last one was Interstellar. Yes. With the uh the ghost reveal. Yeah, well I've certainly seen that one. Yeah. So I didn't mention any of the ones that you wanted to bring up. No.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:42

Well mine's uh the one that I thought of was a bit different, okay, but but I just thought it was a massive Back to the Future. No. Okay. It was in in the th in the the in the theatre for this one, like I just remember people being stunned.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:54

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:55

Up until when they left the theatre.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:58

I I know which one it is. Yes. Toy story. When Buzz finds out that he's not a toy. No. And then he finds out when he is a toy.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:06

Sorry. That is gut-wrenching though. That is uh that is that is a a killer. Yeah. Um now the one I was thinking of is in V Avengers Infinity War. Um The Snap. Yeah, of course. Like I mean, you know, we knew that there were two options where, you know, uh that it Thanos was either either gonna snap his finger or snap his fingers or he wasn't.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:28

But he did. Yeah. And it did wipe out half the universe.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:33

It is a good one.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:34

And I just remember like we we went and saw that opening day at Knox Village Cinemas. We were in the front row of the back section. Yeah. Or one of them at least. Um, and we had uh our kids with us and one of his mates. I remember the look on one of my son's friends' ma faces. He was stunned. He was he was stunned, he was angry, he was upset, and uh the the the general gist through the whole audience was absolute just stunned. And I was a comic book fan, I knew that there was a chance I didn't see it coming either. Yeah, I was just as stunned as everybody else, but I was sitting back enjoying the reaction of everybody, knowing that it was going to be 12 months until we saw the next chapter, yeah, um, and that we'd have to wait to see what happened. I just thought it was glorious. But that was a massive shock and a massive reveal, and that happened to millions of people all around the world, yeah, pretty much at the same time. Yeah, we all we all went and saw that movie pretty pretty much straight away, right? Yeah, yeah, it was the biggest movie in the world at at that time. For that year, yeah. Um, and so I'd reckon that one was up there. Uh in terms of being a global phenomenon, like I I wasn't old enough to go to the theatres when Empire Strikes Back came out, so I knew what happened before I'd seen it because I saw it on television.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:59

Yeah, I I saw it at the drive-in, so um that's that's where I saw it.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:04

But it but the the the Avengers one, you know, we live in a different world now where the movies come out sort of at pretty much at the same time. Yeah, you know, the whole world goes and sees these films together, yeah, and that happened to all of us the same way that it happened to all of these characters in the MCU at at the same time. And I just remember that being massive.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:24

Yep. I I it just I just thought about um the you know, you were talking about the cinema going experience, and there's an episode of The Simpsons when Homer walks out of the Empire Strikes Back and there's all that line uh down the down the block, and he goes, I can't believe.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:40

Yeah, it still makes me cringe. What does the guy say? What does that what does the guy in the line say? Uh I can't remember. We'll we'll we'll put it in here. Somebody like, thanks a lot, jerk.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:51

We'll put it in here.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:53

Whoa, what an ending! Who'da thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:59

Thanks, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:03

Um, so yeah, anyway, um good times.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:06

Yeah, good times. Um look, uh Mount Rushmore for uh uh for for these movie reveals definitely has to be um you know the Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. That's that's probably the the most prominent out of the the four faces that you would have on Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:26

We have two faces from Empire Strikes Back on that Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:29

Well, Luke and Hahn.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:30

I mean Darth Vader, yeah, and Luke making that pained face.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:35

Well maybe we'll just split it down the middle and then half.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:38

The that's impossible face.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:39

We'll do the half and half. Okay, yeah, that'll work. We'll do a half and a half. Yep. Uh I think uh the sixth cents should definitely be up there. Yep. So Bruce Willis. With his what WTF face. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um I wanna say I wanna I'm trying to think of of films that have you know, and you this is what you were sort of saying about the payoff about people talking about it afterwards, about those conversations. I I would say that Fight Club is probably up there with that. So we'll have Edward Norton, half of Edward Norton and half of Brad Pitt.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:15

Edward Norton looking stunned, yeah, and Brad Pitt looking smug. Pitt looking smug and like the dead like a demon.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:22

Yeah, with his tooth picking his mouth.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:24

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yep, yeah. Um and uh like I'm gonna put Thanos up there. Unless you come up with someone else.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:33

No, no, no, no, no. I I I think you're right. So we've got The Empire Strikes Back, The Sixth Sense, Fight Club, and uh Avengers uh Endgame. Was it Endgame? No, no, Infinity Wars. Infinity Wars, sorry, my mistake. Um if if I was gonna add another one, I'd have the usual suspects in there as well. Because because that one was was that's that that would probably be a substitute if you had to replace one.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:58

I just think that you know pop culture wise, iconic wise, you know, icon-wise, um, I think that those four are great. Yeah, but even back to the fact that you know Fight Club is based on a graphic novel. Yes, it is. Um so yeah, no, I I I think that's a a great Mount Rushmore and um I look forward to someone putting that together on on our socials.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:22

Definitely, and thanks to Producer Kim for uh setting out the challenge. Because um there's a couple on there you haven't seen, there's a couple on there that I haven't seen. Um, but I definitely want to uh find out what those reveals are now. Thank you for picking up the gauntlet. Yeah, we appreciate it. Um okay, uh, have you got anything for the shout?

SPEAKER_11 1:55:42

I do, yeah. I just wanted to mention again the uh vintage and modern toy fair at uh Melbourne Town Hall on the 26th of April. I want to encourage people to get along to see that. Yep. Um because yeah, as we've discussed previously previously, it's a really good time. Um I was also having a look, um, you know, we're we're very Melbourne-centric, but that's because we are from Melbourne. Yep. Um but I was having a look to see uh what might be happening around the country a bit more broadly. And um uh in the next couple of months, um uh in uh New South Wales, uh CollectorCon is happening. Um CollectorCon looks um like a really big deal um uh where people get together and you know uh can trade comics and toys and uh cards and Hot Wheels and all sorts of stuff. And I just thought I'd mention that um that's on in uh Newcastle on the 19th of April. Yep. And it's on in uh Penrith on the 31st of May. Yeah. Um and if you want to know more about um any of that, um you can go to Collect uh I think on Instagram it's um CollectorCon AU and you can get more details.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:53

But yeah, I just spell spelled with K's, isn't it? Is it CollectorCon with a K or is it with a C?

SPEAKER_11 1:56:58

It it is not spelt with K's. Okay. No. I don't quite know where you got that from. All right, no worries. But it is it is uh yeah, just uh spelt uh CollectorCon AU. Okay. Um yeah, check them out.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:11

Awesome. Any any others that you've got for for the shout? No, it's it, how about you? Uh so one of the one of the things I wanted to shout about is actually what we're doing now. Um uh so by the time this episode comes out, you would have seen that we've got a uh like a bonus uh a bonus segment, if you want to call it that. Yep. Um, which is called Pulp Plus. Um and we hope that you um uh have listened to it and enjoyed it. Yep. Um uh this is uh where we're going to be doing some sort of independent interviews with either local talent or um you know international or whoever it may be, yep, um that that is willing to you know talk to us and uh give it this time of day. Um but the the first one that we kick off with is with uh Angie Spice. Yep. Um and talking about her uh with the Kickstarter that she um by this stage, I think by the time you listen to this, it will actually be finished or close to being finished, um, and talking about her process and uh what uh where she's sort of come from when she first started to where she is now, um, those types of mediums, her mindset. Um, and it's a really good deep dive into talking to an Australian creative and the challenges which they have. Yep. Um so yeah, I really wanted to just sort of give a shout out that um yeah, give that a listen. Uh I think you'll uh you'll really enjoy it for uh for for something that's a little bit different from everything else. Yeah. Um, but yeah, we um please let us know. Um hit us up on the socials under Pulp Culture Pod.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:49

Yeah, and check out our Kickstarter as well. Absolutely. And and also um the other ones that we've we've uh uh done posts for on our socials. Um, you know, get in there and back them if you can. Um and yeah, support some really great uh local talent.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:06

Yeah, the other thing I wanted to just um highlight is that uh we have a dwindling amount of comic book stores in Australia. And I didn't realise this until you and I had been sort of talking offline about it, and so I did a bit of an investigation to look at see who has actually got a physical store now around Australia. Okay. So I actually wanted to give a shout out because I know that we've we don't just have people who are listening um in Australia that are just Melbourne based, yeah, that they are around Australia. We we we do have quite a large listener base now in Australia. Thank you all for listening. Um so thank you for you know listening to um to us every every week. Um so I thought I'd just highlight um uh a couple of comic book stores around Australia and give them a shout out as well. Yeah. Um so we've got the uh comic shop, uh the comic shop Liverpool um in New South Wales. Yep. Um definitely give give them uh uh a look in. Um they're like you know, they're a staple for fans in that greater Western Sydney um area. Yep. Um and so, you know, very much like All Star, they you know specialise in back issues and new releases and you know various collectibles and etc. etc. Yep. Um in um ACT, so Canberra, um we have Impact Comics. Um they seem to be the only one that are uh uh are there in the ACT now. Um and uh you know they're they're a great bookstore. Um and would highly recommend that, you know, if you're traveling past the ACT and you've got a bit of time to kill, then definitely check out uh Impact Comics.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:47

I know that I will be next time I get there.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:49

Yep. Uh South Australia. Um we have uh we've actually got two um in South Australia. We've got Adelaide Comics Centre, okay, uh which um which uh are great. Um and they're in that that main arcade in Adelaide. Uh and we've got Greenlight Comics.

SPEAKER_11 2:01:08

Rundle Moore.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:09

Uh Rundle Moore. Uh gay's arcade it actually is. Okay.

SPEAKER_11 2:01:13

So um I don't know Adelaide too well, but I I'd I'd like to. I'd like to know about it.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:17

Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Um and we've got Greenlight Comics. Um and so Greenlight Um have been around for quite a while now, and um they seem to be very much like like All Star, where they're very much into local talent and pushing for you know local books, etc. Full of question uh manned by questionable personality. And that too. Um so yeah, shout out to um to to to Greenlight Comics as well. Yeah um we've only got one in the uh in Western Australia, which is Quality Comics. Um actually, my mistake. We have two in Western Australia. Uh we've got Quality Comics and uh Collector Zone Comics and Collectibles, okay. Uh so which is great. So we've got we've got two um that I'm aware of in Queensland.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:10

Uh one is uh Comics, etc. Okay. Uh and uh so they've been around for about 20 years, so they've been they've got a fairly good, you know, grounding um in the scene in Queensland. Yep. Uh and the other one that that I I think we've only just recently been made aware of, uh, which is the uh the comic book cafe, uh, which is in uh Albion um in Queensland. Yeah um and I I kind of like the concept, you know, having a cafe and a um it it it feels a little bit American, you know, where you've got the cafe and a and a and a and a bit of a a place where you can read your comics. It um looks really fun too.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:50

Like they've I've they've done a couple of posts on there. Um they did one recently called Let's Let's Explore Comic Book Cafe. Yeah. Um and it's a really fun walkthrough. Yeah. Um and the shop looks amazing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm I kind of want to go to that.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:04

Yeah, yeah. And um the last one we have is Area 52, which is located in Tasmania. Okay. Um, so you can see that we we we have a uh a very rich um uh you know need for for comics and collectibles and and books and stuff, yeah. But we don't have a lot of um, you know, sort of physical stores um around Australia. Yeah. So Melbourne has more more uh stores than than any other state. Uh and I can understand why. Um, you know, we we kind of lead the charge when it comes to nerdom in um in in Australia. Yeah, there's a lot of nerds down here. Yeah, there is yeah, big nerds. Yeah. Homer's leaning out of his car, yelling out nerds at everyone. But um, you know, it's uh it's it's it's great that we do have physical stores. So if you have an opportunity um and you're in that state, go check out that that that comic book store. But um we'll definitely be talking more about them in coming episodes. Yeah. Um, and um always happy to give them a shout.

SPEAKER_11 2:04:05

Um great work, Nath. And just on the back of what Nath has just said, then um do us a favor if we've missed anybody, yeah, like let us know. You know, and and even if it's like you know, regional areas too. Yeah, if if you've got like a little uh comic book shop or a bookshop that sells comics in your local area, anywhere that you can go and buy them physically, just comment in on our Instagram or our um uh our Twitter account or whatever. Um just hit us up, let us know, and we'll um look into it and we'll give a shout out to anyone that we might have missed.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:40

Well, it's like the uh the comic book uh sorry, the um barbershop comic book shop that we talked about um in in previous episodes. Exactly.

SPEAKER_11 2:04:48

Because I mean if if you if you send us a a message and tell us that we haven't mentioned someone or even mentioned them for a while, we'll shout out local comic shops all day. Um because yeah, they're the heart of um our community. Yep. Um and they're great places to hang out, great places to meet people, um, great places to talk about comics, um, great places to talk about the things that we love. And yeah, we'd we'd love nothing more than to hand over your cash. Yeah, that's yeah, that that's uh also true. But um, yeah, no, uh hit us up and let us know. You know, if there's someone somewhere that we've missed, let us know, and we'll mention it on a on a subsequent episode. I guarantee it.

SPEAKER_09 2:05:29

Yeah, absolutely. We'd love to we'd love to talk more about uh comic book stores. And like I said, we'll be definitely be talking about this in uh coming episodes. Yeah. Um, we're planning something really big later in the year. Um, and um that's uh and that that's uh we're we're we're looking forward to bringing that to you. So there's a there's a teaser that will have a big reveal. Maybe we'll end up on Mount Rushmore of big reveals. What do you think?

SPEAKER_11 2:05:55

No, I don't think so. I don't really want to be amongst that company.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:02

Yeah, they're all devious in their own ways, aren't they? Those those those people on Mount Rushmore. Yeah, just a messy crowd. Yeah, they're a messy crowd. Yeah, but anyway. Well, uh, I think we've come to the end of our show. As always, we're sad to leave you. Yeah. Um, I'm sure Toads Deborah has check that on the Tok Tok.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:25

Uh but uh we're grateful for your company, we're grateful for um for you listening for the first time. We've got we've had quite a uh an uptake in um in in listeners over the probably the last month. Yeah, up to three. Uh it's it's it's up to five and a half.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:44

So they've sort of got to halfway and then they'll come back later. So um, but uh, you know, that's fine. Um thanks, Mom.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:54

It's me with Invincible. Um, but uh look, uh you know, thank you for listening and thank you for um for for for sharing us with uh with your friends and family. Yeah um we're definitely seeing seeing that uh that positivity um spreading and uh and and people are talking about it, which is great. And so we're really grateful that uh that you're on this journey with us and uh and and we you know we say this pretty much every week, but thank you because this show wouldn't be the same without you. And uh we look forward to your company next week when you'll hear MJ say.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:29

At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge. Thanks very much, stay for Darth Moore's coming up next week. See everybody. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:42

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