Pulp Culture + Angie Spice

For our very first Pulp Culture Plus, Nath chats with Angie Spice, an Australian comic artist serving up bold style, sharp humour, and a whole lot of unapologetic energy to the comic scene.

We get into her latest Kickstarter, Courier: The Definitive Collection, unpack her creative process, talk through the highs and hurdles of the Austrlaian comic book industry, and hear all about a months-long artist retreat that helped take her work to the next level. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Angie Spice is our um is our special guest. Uh she's an Australian uh artist whose work is uh bold and sharp and completely unapologetic, I would say. Um Angie brings a unique mix of humor and edge to her art, creating pieces that uh grab your attention and stick with you. I'm uh keen to do a bit of a dive into the creative world and mine that gives you a taste of uh what makes her style stand out. Uh, her Kickstarter is in the process at the moment, which is uh the uh courier series, um the Definitive Collection. Uh, please welcome to the show, Angie Spice.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Thank you. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Yeah, and we were just talking off offline, and it's um it's been quite a number of years. I think I think we sort of worked it out to it's about 10 years since we sort of last chatted. Um uh all things uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

I'm trying to think where we um I'm trying to think where we first crossed paths.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yeah, it's uh it's probably when I was doing the Watcher Show um podcast uh back in the day, and we were doing all the comic circuits at that stage, um doing interviews. So I probably have to dig it right out of the archives, uh, probably our first sort of meet. Um, but yeah, that's probably way back then. Uh back in Melbourne days when um when we had only two cons and now we've got so many that's it's fantastic reach for uh for local um for locals like yourself uh in the comic scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Yeah, yeah, I can't keep up with all the new conventions.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

I feel old all of a sudden. Oh, I was gonna say, yeah, you you you probably you'd be uh a a veteran now. Um how long how long have you been in the comic scene for?

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Yeah, well, um I'm actually approaching my 10-year anniversary of releasing the first issue of Kourier. So yeah, 10 years. 10 years. Yeah, thank you. It goes so quickly though, and I wish I could go back in time and say, oh, maybe we should um get on with it. I always say that, but um, yeah, I wouldn't have changed anything.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

So yeah, and and tell us a little bit for those that um that that aren't familiar with your work, what would you what would you classify your style as?

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Um yeah, I would say it's definitely got that anime and manga influence. Um, but all in all, it's about progression. So it's it's really about just getting started. My my style is about doesn't matter how skilled you are, um, it's just about going for your dreams. And um, yeah, even my current Kickstarter is I'm trying to convey that message as well. That just um if you have like an aspiration to make a comic, go for it. Um, but yeah, I do have that influence of anime manga, um, and then a mix of um all my other influences.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Yeah, yeah. Are you are you influenced by by anime and manga? Are you a are you a fan of that that genre, or is it that just style you gravitated towards?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Um no, I think it's because that style of storytelling in particular really it won my heart over, but it I I just knew from that moment I wanted to make stories because the emotional context really resonated with me. Um, the sort of inner dialogue of manga and anime, um, especially for um kids or people that can't really express themselves very well, I found it like a way that I could express myself because in Japanese culture a lot of their dialogue is inner what they really think, and then the outer they have to sort of just people please and stuff. So I really resonated with that style um of inner dialogue.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

That's that's fantastic. Well, I mean your your style also too is um it's probably more sort of current now than it was 10 years ago, which is which is really interesting, right? Because I mean that that that lift and that uptake of of anime and manga has has really um sort of taken off in Australia. Um I mean it was always there, but it's it's definitely more now, I would say, than than ever, which is which is great for oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Like now I'm really an outsider. Yeah, I'm a bit of an outsider now. Because I I even um because I'm I'm cross-promoting now with other um people that are running Kickstarters as well, and I've reached this girl that's very anime, and I said, Oh, you want to cross-promote? She's like, Oh, I don't really think your style really resonates with my audience. I'm like, Well, fair enough. No, but she wasn't just talking about style, she was also talking about genre as well. Um, because my yeah, because my work's historical fiction courier is anyway, and um a lot of people do fantasy or something very different to that, so they're kind of like, what's going on here? Because I I love um his like I I love World War II and I love history, and I guess that's what inspired a lot of courier to some people did some people, I mean, you know, it's like any genre, it's not for everyone, right? Like we all have our favorite genres.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Well, you look at you you look at um some of the sort of the more famous, you know, anime or or manga, and um they're all set during period times. So um and you know, there's a a lot of popular popularity around those. In regards to Kourier, maybe um for our for our listeners, um give them a bit of a brief on courier and then we'll talk a little bit more about your Kickstarter.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, um so Kourier is um set in the 1940s. Tasmania. Um, for context, I grew up in Tasmania, um, not on the mainland. Tasmania is um it's a state in Australia, if you're not Australian. And I actually grew up on King Island, which is an island off Tasmania. Um, but I wanted to write a story set in Tasmania. That was an Australian story. Tasmania is very different to the rest of Australia geologically, so there's lots of rainforests and it's very Lush and there's it's very mountainous, and there's the Tasmanian tiger. And I thought, wow, that'll be a really good setting for a story. Um so I gave myself a month to create a comic because I hadn't created anything and I was just sort of waiting around for someone to be like, hey, do you want to draw my comic? Or I was waiting around for an opportunity. So I gave myself a month to create a comic and I came up with the idea of a courier. So uh the reason that being is that Gerald Gerald Dean, the main character, she is looking for the thylocene. So if she's working as a courier, she has a you know a way to look for it around Tassie. Um and it's set during the Second World War, so it's a time where women were entering the workforce. So it's very historically relevant, yeah. Um, and it is a bit wacky too. Like, I mean, um, so she's looking for the thy phyllocene, but she runs into like local affairs with locals, what they're doing, and she upsets them. And um, I've included a lot of Tasmanian kind of culture as well, um, in that from my own perspective. And then she runs into Axis Spies, and it's kind of just digging more into like her, then it digs more into her emotional self, like why is she looking for the tiger and the deeper meaning of that.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Yeah, and I think that a lot of those, you know, so you're sort of um capturing current world events that were sort of taking place as well, when, when women were really coming into the into their own and then and having a having a voice, um, especially in Australia, um, which is which is you know fantastic to sort of represent in that in that way as well. Uh, you know, it it's funny. Um, when I I I remember um you know Corey, and you know, I I I love a good, strong, independent, um, female character. Uh, and I think that you you pose that really well um in these in these books. And uh, and I think that that's that's fantastic that that representation is there. With um with the so how many books have you you you done now? Because I know that you've got volumes one and two, is that right? And now you're putting it as a collected works.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah, so originally I had six um original issues, but I do have a career zero, which makes it seven, but zero is a half issue, so it's kind of really seven issues. Um yeah, but in terms of like um they they were released as American format size, so yeah, um 24 pages, but um there's some of them actually have a lot more pages, so um, but yeah, there were seven different releases, um, two volumes. So, volume one I did release a couple of years ago. Volume two is is a debut print for the campaign I'm running. Yeah, um, and I'm making a new a brand new chapter, which is a prologue chapter, um, which is really exciting.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Yeah, that's fantastic. I'm really excited to do that. And that and that prologue chapter sort of leads into the first issue, is that right? Is that this is your issue? Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Yeah. Um, no, this isn't the zero issue, this is before that. So issue zero is um it's I kind of joined it, I combined it with the first issue to give it a bit more context, because when I first made Courier, it um I didn't really know how to make comics. And I wrote like a novel kind of format, and I tried to fit um the novel into the pages, and then I'm like, oh, it doesn't all fit into one issue. Oh, I'm gonna have to make another one. And so it was more cinematic, so it was more like a film um film storyboards, the first one. Um, so not much happens in it. So I wanted to um create the issue zero, which is context to going back to her past where she's one like it just sort of um contextualizes why she is obsessed with phyloscenes, so she went to the zoo with her father all the time, and they went to see the tigers um at the zoo, and he was a photographer, and there's a scene where he feels conflicted because um the zoo keeper is um she's trying to save the thyrocine for poachers because you could there was a bounty on them, and she's um trying to save the thylocine, but he thinks they should be free, but she's like, Oh, but then they'll get shot and kill it. So there's a scene there. Um so I just wanted to establish a bit more context rather than Geraldine, like, because it just jumps into Geraldine sort of looking for the tiger, and there's not really any um you know, backstory. Um, but the pro yeah, the the pro the prologue chapter is more about her debuting as a courier and gaining her independence and um sort of yeah, it's it's all about her sort of starting out as an independent woman, and yeah, she's a bit younger.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Yeah, no, that's that that that's fantastic. Your style um of of of art um it it uh is is that still is it is it still hand done or is it or is it done digitally now?

SPEAKER_01 11:24

No. Um so I've uh all of Korea is drawn traditionally, like all the line item. When I coloured it, I did do it digitally. Yeah um but I've become more and more a traditionalist with you know the day and age we live in with AI.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

I'm doing it all um traditional now, even the colour for this one.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Yeah, fantastic. And is that uh is that uh is that a paint base that you're using? Is it watercolor? Is it uh is it um what do you what are you using as your medium?

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Um a little, yeah, that's why my style changes so much because I'm evolving through each issue. But more recently I've ended up with manga nibs, so what the manga I use, so a G nib and um sometimes a brush, but very, you know, just very fine lines. Um but however for this piece I'm I'm using the same tools, but I'm using it on a watercolor paper so I can do a gouache paint colour over it.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Um so it looks more storybook. And that's that's a bit of a risk because um because watercolour paper is very um, I don't know, it bleeds a lot. So you don't get the same crisp lines, you get more of a a rough feel, but I kind of like that effect.

SPEAKER_03 12:34

Well it's unforgiving, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah, like I mean, okay, because like I've always been trying to be doing things more perfect and doing lines really clean, but it's nice when you see a bit of bleed, it gives it a bit of um energy. And um, yeah, no, I'm I'm really excited to see how it looks. I haven't been able to work on it much because I've been so busy campaigning, but yeah, yeah, I'm excited to see where it takes me stylistically, artistically, because there's gonna be a lot of um really cool scenes to draw in it.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Well, that's the road of a true artist, isn't it? It's it's not it's not standing still and keeping it at one particular medium or style, it's it's about looking for that expansion and you know you as you as a person grows and develop, so does your your skill set, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Yeah, I I think um for me I've just been I got so focused on a single idea about just doing manga style and trying to be good enough to do like manga with publishers and stuff, and just really sort of cramped my style up.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

And it's sort of opening. I think I've got a really nice more to to other ways that you can sort of express that in your in your book.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Um I think it I think because I I was just trying to restrict myself by trying to be too perfect, yeah. And yeah, it was I think it I could see it was a bit much.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

But it it's really interesting because um I mean it's a whole story because so like I know about you, but life just being so quick at the moment, yeah, moving, like all of a sudden. Um and so I um I went on a my first artist residency um to Lake Sentrance, um, which is a very remote location in Victoria. Um and I just I I stay I stayed on a houseboat for a month and it just helped me sort of get into my creative flow again in a fresh way.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Yeah, that's awesome. And I started that sounds great.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

And you'll be artists. Yeah. No, it's just by myself, but it was amazing. I mean, there were other artists there, so I um they have a really great artistic community there, so I got to meet them, a mingle of them, hear from them, listen to their ideas and their styles of art and their music as well. Um, because there was a few museums down there, and it just sort of made me loosen up a bit. Yeah. Wow.

unknown 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

Like everybody should do that. That was good.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

They should. I highly recommend it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

You were you were talking about at the beginning. So when you were talking about, you know, you you didn't really know how to do a comic at first. And I think a lot of um, you know, Australian artists, you know, over the years that I've interviewed, um, all say the same thing. Um, and it's all uh it's all a process of learning and um and and error. And um what would you, you know, if you could go back and tell your you know 10-year-ago self, or if you had somebody who was asking you, you know, how do I how do I start my first comic, what would what advice would you sort of give them? And I mean, I I'm not looking for the magic bullet here. It's just about, you know, what would you what would you tell yourself if you you had that DeLorean time machine that you could go back and say, hey, here's a couple of things that I might be able to, you know, help you with to get to where you want to be.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yeah, you know, it's interesting you said that because I think that's what happened. Because I don't get too deep here, but I feel like we're like if you think of time being not existing and it's been an illusion, I feel like our higher self is helping us, like for the future and the past sometimes. Um, so I I did get the message to sort of be a bit more bold, like don't be afraid of taking risks of um just getting into comics and pursuing your um creativity as a career. Um even though I always wanted to just take in the next step, whatever that is to you. Um and um it was really powerful, and I think just sometimes the planets align and you're just around the right people. I was around a really good community in Melbourne at that time. Yeah, comics were very popular around the time I got into comics, um, like free comic book day, you had to wait in a line for hours to get in.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Um amazing, wasn't it? It was an amazing time, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

It was the golden, it was a glorious time to be an indie creator. Um, and I just think it was a very lucky time. Um, yeah, I I don't know. I just think I was really lucky to be honest. Like um, even though I didn't know what I was doing, I was sort of surrounded by people that were established indie creators, like um Darren Close Killer, um Matt Kaim, um I don't know if you know Tom Tongue.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Um Tom Tung's still around.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Matt Kime is yeah, he's still doing his mini, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

I think he's on a Guinness World record for for for his posts. Um, you know, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Yeah, I was looking at them the other day.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

It's amazing, isn't it? That someone can um have that have that stamina to keep to keep going and um yeah yeah, and and you're right, like you know, that that that that era that it was I would say it's like the golden age of of of um the Australian comic scene. Um and and I think that we're sort of having a bit of a resurgence now, which is which is which is great to see with some, you know, sort of some young blood in there. And that's why I was asking that question. I mean, obviously a lot's changed in the last um, you know, if we look reflectively uh in the last 10 years, um, you know, starting a comic was was a lot more expensive. Digital was sort of just you know, sort of on the cusp of of greatness. Uh and um, you know, Kickstarter was really sort of at the early stages as well. And so now to produce a comic is very different, you know, it's it's it's like um you know the film industry or the TV industry or um you know the comic industry. You if you want to do something, um you can do it. It's very easy, it's very simple. Um I think it's just about um doing it for yourself. Uh, you know, if it was me, I would say do it for yourself. Do it for yourself, and and then you'll find your journey, you know, will be a lot easier.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Uh I that's what I need to hear. Um, yeah. Um that's the other thing is that that's kind of how I started, but you end up falling to traps of oh, I should do this, I should do this, I should do this. And that that stagnates you. But yeah, you're so right. I I need to write that down and print it on my forehead or something.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Do it for yourself. Or don't do it for others. Do it for yourself. And and you never know, right? With the with the with the way that you know social media is now, um, you don't know who's looking at your artwork, you don't know who's listening to you know this podcast. Um, they could be um, you know, your your your biggest supporter, um, or your next biggest supporter, or uh a company that's interested in your work. And um a lot of that. I remember talking to um John Samariva, and he was saying that he was surprised that um a lot of uh you know sort of those larger studios were were you know following his journey and waiting for him to uh to get to that point where they were ready to have conversations with him. So you just you just don't know, but but you can't be thinking about that um when you're doing this work, it's it's more about um you know fulfilling that dream that you have in the beginning. Uh and I think that uh along the way with that passion comes, you know, whatever success that looks like for the individual.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

I think so. Well, you're so well said.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

Well, I I've been a bit of a veteran too, right? So uh it's it's it's it's again, it's that time machine and looking, you know, from uh from a perspective of what would you know myself tell my my my uh 10-year-old self uh you know, if if if I went back and said said to my 10-year-old self, you're gonna have this podcast and you're gonna have all these people that are really interested in the Australian scene, I I wouldn't believe it. And so um I I I think that that's that's what makes makes this exciting. So with regards to your um with with with your Kickstarter, maybe tell us a little bit more about that and what what can people expect if they um if they back um the book.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Mm-hmm. Yeah, um so God, there's a whole story, but I I probably don't want to tell you the whole story. You can tell us as long as or short as you like.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

It's entirely up to you.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Okay, um, so yeah, last year um I decided, you know, I want to um change a lot of what I was doing. So I've been independently self publishing for almost 10 years, and I'm like, oh, I gotta really work with other people. Um, I want to change it up. I want to work with an editor, I want to work with publishers. So I started um Pitching to publishers, well, I didn't really get very far, and I started applying for grants because I just needed a bit of um I don't know, support or you know, something different. I needed I needed to print my books like as well. Like I ran out of books, I ran out of career books, and I wanted to print the second one. So I did come across um a match labs grant, which is a grant that anyone in Australia can apply for if you're a creative individual or business, I think. Well, I could be wrong, but if you're a create if you if you're a creator and you have a fundraising project, then you can apply for this grant. And um if you get it, they will match fund um up to like$10,000 or a certain amount of your campaign. Anyway, I applied for it thinking uh, you know, it was a good experience to apply for, and then um I forgot about it. And then I um during this year as well, I was like, oh, I really need a break, I'm really burnt out. I was just really burnt out and like I need to do an artist in residence, so I just decided to do that artist in residence at float in Lake's entrance when I was on where I was on the houseboat. Anyway, so I um I planned to go there, and then two weeks before going there, I realized um I get this grant, and I'm like, oh, okay. Um and I was stressed because I was going to spend a month on a houseboat, and I'm like, oh, I've got a plan for this big massive grant, you know, like fundraising, it's a big um opportunity, and I was a bit stressed about that. And so um just before I went to Lake's entrance, I went to Melbourne because I'm in Wadonga right now, I've rushed down to Melbourne for a little um match labs clinic, which was really good. I learned a lot about fundraising through that. Um and um yeah, so I got the grant, and then I thought I had like all of this year to raise that money, but it turned out I only have till the end of this financial year. Um, so I was like, ah, and um, so then I I was away for a month in Lake's entrance, and I'm like, oh okay, uh so I I applied to print reprint courier volume one because it was sold out, and I needed to print volume two of the complete courier series. Um but once I got it and I applied for a$10,000 match lab grant, I'm thinking I really need to do something new for Courier for it to be a bit more you know spicier. Like yeah, um not in a spice, you know, spicy other.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

Not in a spicy bad way, but in a spicy, spicy modest way, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:27

In an anti-spice way. Um yeah. And so I thought, oh, I really need to make a new comic. And me being like the way I am, it's like I need to create the comic before I run the campaign. And so I was so worried about that, I just spent the whole time planning that and also planning what I would do for the campaign. But that was my main focus, and I really had to um it's really challenging for me because I had a deadline to run this campaign um to raise the funds. Um, so I had to kind of just abandon that and just focus on campaign building, and it was really hard. Yeah, um, but in the end, I got there, so I just focused.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Kickstarting is not an easy no, it is not because you're asking for um someone to believe in your work uh that you may not even have ever met before, or when you liked your work, so you're trying to do a one-size-fits-all campaign um with the pressure of hoping that people are going to uh accept what you're putting towards them.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Yeah, and um like for me especially the um another sort of hurdle was that a lot of people that um you know read my stuff, support me, they already have the original couriers, so it's like and they got courier one as well, so a lot of them wouldn't be necessarily interested in the volumes, like because they already have the single issues. Yeah, um, so I I had to think of um them, but also yeah, um, because the first Kickstarter I ran, I did it for Courier Volume One, and it actually went really, it was really easy for me because I just I don't know, it just worked out like a lot of people really wanted the volume because a lot of people were asking for it.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Um, but I figured um selling a second volume, well not selling, fundraising a second volume is um difficult, um, especially when people already have it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

But I think it's exciting because you're adding a new, you, you're adding uh you're adding a new um story to to the mix. Yeah. Um it's a question.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Yes, the only biggest, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

So you're picking up on extra on on um on on those that may have only got volume one or have only volume seen volume two?

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Uh there are quite a few people that want that want volume two, but they've already got four, five, six. So um um what I was gonna say is it's been difficult because I um haven't really created enough of Courier on the run to use it for campaigning. If you run a Kickstarter, it's a lot easier if you have a brand new brand new thing. Um but having said that, it's been really good because it's made me be very creative with the series I have. And um a lot of people really want new courier stuff anyway. And um, there's not just the courier issues, there's also like original art. So if you're you've already read it and you've got the books, you can get some original art. Um so there's some really cool original art pieces up there, and there's also some sessions about how to self-publish. So if you wanted to learn how to self-publish, um, I'm gonna start teaching that because I'm passionate about that actually.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

That's fantastic. That's really, really good.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yeah, yeah. Because I think um, even if you're just a novelist and you want to learn how to self-publish, I won't like necessarily teach you how to write a novel, but I'll teach you how to put how to get your book together and get out there. I'm not I won't really necessarily teach you how to be a bestseller, I can't guarantee that, but I can I can show you how you can go about it um in a way that fits you. Um so that's something else that I'm really excited about as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's there's a lot to it, there's a lot of cool stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

That's fantastic. So uh so maybe what we'll do is we'll um let everybody know uh how to find uh you so if you go to Kickstarter uh and you uh look under either uh Angie Spice or Courier the Definitive Collection, uh you'll find either.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Yeah, no, it's really good. Um we're still we're still kind of halfway in terms of the match lab funding for the in terms of the grant. So um I kind of learned the heart way the hard way that you should have a lower um funding goal on Kickstarter because if you don't, even if you get close to it, you won't get funded. And that actually happened to me last time I ran a campaign. I got raised$4,000 to print Courier Volume 2. I did I did do a lot of mistakes for that campaign and it was it was humbling. Um but all in all I effed it up because I made the campaign goal too high. Yeah, um, but four thousand would have would have been enough for a print run. Yeah, but I had high expectations because my first one went so well.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

In with my yeah, second kickstart, it was it was it was tough. I put a lot of work into it, but it it was a good learning experience for me. Um I I stuffed it up because I tried to combine the campaign for Courier Volume 2 and um a webtoon I was making, which was it was not a good idea. Um, yeah, and another thing about webtoon is that even though there are some webtoon creators that print their books um for most people, your webtoon readers don't really want to, they don't translate to buying readers because they expect to read for free. So um that was a big learning curve. Um yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

But I think it's important to talk about that as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

Sounds like you've done the hard yards for for um for others, and um I think this this incentive of um of you know you sharing that knowledge is is um is is is a great one to take up uh and to um and so that that way they can um you know move forward a little bit with less hurdles in front of them. Um you know being a being a a creator in in any space is is is a tough one because we're we are our own worst critics, um and we need to get past that first before we get in front of um in front of others. And I think that that's um you know your your tenure in the Australian comic scene is definitely um is is one not to be um to be uh forgotten about, that's for sure. Um so with um with regards to you and your your social your socials, um is it best to find you on Instagram?

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yeah, I would say so. Um so I'm Angie Spice Art. So A-R-T on Instagram. Um I think I'm Angie Spice on Facebook. Yeah, I think I got that one before someone else did. Um what else have I got? I think they're the main two places I really post. I do have a Patreon account, um, so I'm Angie Spice on Patreon. And what else? I can't think of anything else.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Well that's it, that they're great places that anybody can find you. Um if if um if uh is there anything else that you wanted to let us know about? Um anything else coming up? Uh are you at any uh cons or uh or expos or any uh craft markets or anything like that?

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Yeah, um I'm at um what is it called? I think it's Geek Expo in um Aubrey, which is coming up in June or July.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

And um I've got an exhibition coming up actually um at the local library in Wadonga, so at hyphen. It'll be an exhibition about my um process of creating from script to storyboard to pencils to inks um in the library. So I'll be announcing that when that's up. But that which should be uh I think June to August this year, it'll be up in the gallery there.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Sounds like you've got a fairly full uh full plate right up until uh the middle of the year, but um it's uh it's it's uh it's always great to to chat with you, and it's always great to um to hear of um of your process and uh and uh really enjoy um the work that's coming out of you. And um so thank you for coming on the show and um we we look forward to the progress. We look forward to to the success of of Kickstarter and um and uh and what comes after that.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Uh no, thank you. Thanks to everyone who's back to courier. It's it's going really well.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Yeah, so so again, it's definitely our um it's a it's definitely one of our books of choice on Kickstarter. Uh and uh and we uh and we'll keep uh we'll keep plugging away from it and um and grateful that we've got uh somebody in the Australian scene that uh is definitely representing phyloscenes um because um you know they're a uh they're an extinct species and we um any opportunity that we can bring them back uh that's fantastic. So uh please everybody thank uh Angie Spice.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

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